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re: Think of the best champions league champs from the last 5 years
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:55 am to roguetiger15
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:55 am to roguetiger15
I think the club teams' biggest advantage would come from more time practicing and playing together. The talent levels would be pretty comparable since all of the key players on the World Cup champions play for teams that are potential champions league participants. Spain in 2010 had guys like Cesc Fabregas on the bench who were good enough to play for champions league teams.
Who among the regulars for Germany or Argentina could not find a roster place on a champions league type team?
Who among the regulars for Germany or Argentina could not find a roster place on a champions league type team?
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:59 am to Poodlebrain
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Who among the regulars for Germany or Argentina could not find a roster place on a champions league type team?
There are a few, especially in Argentina.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:05 am to Dandy Lion
Howedes is really the one for Germany. I guess Klose, but he could be a sub at a top club.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:05 am to Poodlebrain
Any Spain team from 2008-2012 potentially could win a Champions League title - they were a force.
Atletico was a few minutes from winning it this year, and I would favor 2014 Germany over them if they had a match tomorrow.
I think we can all agree the Champions League, due to familiarity and cohesion of top talents playing together a full season, is the best display of team soccer. But saying top International teams couldn't win a Champions League title is an overstatement, IMO.
Atletico was a few minutes from winning it this year, and I would favor 2014 Germany over them if they had a match tomorrow.
I think we can all agree the Champions League, due to familiarity and cohesion of top talents playing together a full season, is the best display of team soccer. But saying top International teams couldn't win a Champions League title is an overstatement, IMO.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:48 am to Billy Mays
quote:Unquestionably. How many club teams that are loaded with superior individual talents lack cohesion and play like crap? Those teams don't qualify for the Champions League. When talking about the best of the best club teams and national teams teamwork is what determines the champions.
I think we can all agree the Champions League, due to familiarity and cohesion of top talents playing together a full season, is the best display of team soccer.
One aspect of the World Cup that makes for memories is the fact that the less well developed teamwork makes transcendent individual performances more likely. Would you see a Maradona in 1986 like performance in the Champions League? Probably not as the opponents would have better plans for neutralizing him.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:57 am to Billy Mays
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It's unrealistic to say that International teams can consistently have the same level of cohesion as a club team - just not possible. However, Spain in its prime could have won the Champions League some years (ie the year Chelsea won playing 10 behind the ball).
Then why couldn't Spain + Messi beat them? Or Germany + Robben and Ribery beat them at home?
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:58 am to roguetiger15
The only team this world cup that could compete is Germany
long gone are the days of country being so much better than club
long gone are the days of country being so much better than club
Posted on 7/10/14 at 12:00 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Germany 2014 = USC 2004
Posted on 7/10/14 at 12:47 pm to RandySavage
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(ie the year Chelsea won playing 10 behind the ball).
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Then why couldn't Spain + Messi beat them? Or Germany + Robben and Ribery beat them at home?
Exactly, people may not like the way they won but they beat Barca and Bayern.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 1:08 pm to RandySavage
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Then why couldn't Spain + Messi beat them? Or Germany + Robben and Ribery beat them at home?
<---- Chelsea fan.
That team did overachieve - good thing in soccer the most talented team doesn't always win.
Variance and tactics FTW
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:10 pm to Billy Mays
i laugh at all the high priced international managers Abramovich brought in, and in the end Roberto Di Matteo formerly of West Brom was the man who got it done...
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:16 pm to Poodlebrain
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I think the club teams' biggest advantage would come from more time practicing and playing together
It's a factor, but I think that being able to buy what you need would be a bigger contributor
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:39 pm to LSU Red24
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This Bayern team?
Nope, this one
Posted on 7/10/14 at 9:03 pm to roguetiger15
Clubs are business.... meaning player are bought and brought in and honed for specific reasons and the richest clubs try every time to get the best player and they work together...
A National Team, takes what it can get out of the generation they're given and the team usually has limited time together.
Clubs, almost by nature are better teams.
Since an elite player obviously has little say who he plays with in the World Cup, it strips football of all the money, politics, contracts and egos that accompany pro sports and all your left with... is the beautiful game. Probably why it's so easy to love the World Cup.
A National Team, takes what it can get out of the generation they're given and the team usually has limited time together.
Clubs, almost by nature are better teams.
Since an elite player obviously has little say who he plays with in the World Cup, it strips football of all the money, politics, contracts and egos that accompany pro sports and all your left with... is the beautiful game. Probably why it's so easy to love the World Cup.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 9:05 pm
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