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re: The people of Britain are freaking out about a 10 pound charge to visit doctor
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and what would you propose, as a system, if you could change it all?
I would go back to the old system, with one caveat. I would devise a system, doesn't have to be via government, but some system, which can control the price gouging for services. Go look at what a hip replacement costs here vs. other developed countries.
The right will tell you that the cost is higher here because of lawsuits, but this is nonsense. Texas has had tort reform for years and health care costs have continued to rise.
The fact of the matter is that when you're sick, you're in no position to act as a consumer the way you were if you needed a new TV or a car. And furthermore the system is intentionally obscured from the patient so that nobody really knows how much everything is going to cost. Try asking your surgeon what it's going to run you, he probably doesn't know.
The system as a whole needs to be reformed, but i don't think government is the answer, in fact if we had smaller government in this particular field it would be more likely to be successful, as crony capitalism has and will continue to destroy the republic in the wake of Citizens United.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 4:13 pm
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Depends on the severity of the sickness. If I have a simple flu, I have the ability to pick and choose. If I have a ruptured stomach or Ebola, I am not a consumer. That is what catastrophic insurance is for.
The fact of the matter is that when you're sick, you're in no position to act as a consumer
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:40 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Don't be so dense. If people in America want a healthcare system similar to Britain - and a large portion of the population does - it might be worthwhile to "care" about its successes or failures.
I'll never understand why people on here care so much about what goes on in England and France
Posted on 7/5/14 at 4:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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. Go look at what a hip replacement costs here vs. other developed countries.
Is this you caring or not caring about what happens in other countries? I can't tell.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:00 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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The system as a whole needs to be reformed, but i don't think government is the answer, in fact if we had smaller government in this particular field it would be more likely to be successful, as crony capitalism has and will continue to destroy the republic in the wake of Citizens United.
Good post. It's amazing that you are such an Obamabot/apologist yet hold such a fundamental disagreement on the role of government. One is left wondering if youre a little touched in the head.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:00 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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If you don't like it, don't live there.
Well... if one thinks that a state-controlled system is the way to go, then move to one of the many countries that practice top-down policy. Why is there a need for liberals/progressives to turn the one free place in the history of the world into one of the other countries?
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:04 pm to upgrayedd
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I guess I would be pissed if I had to pay more for shitty healthcare too
Shitty? You live in America, home of garbage insurance system and broken healthcare
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:16 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
Hahaha! So what did we do to "improve" the healthcare system? We expanded healthcare to follow the same shitty system instead of making free market based reforms. Is our healthcare system perfect? No, but I would rather have the system we have now than have a system where they just tell you to take an aspirin and call in the morning (UK).
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:21 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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It's not shitty.
It's shitty.
And with them charging 10£ per doctor's visit, their ranking will drop on those coveted international rankings as one of the major points of ranking is how much cost is borne by the government.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:22 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
quote:Our middle and upper class enjoys amazing healthcare. Mestizos and poor people bring our numbers down.
ou live in America, home of garbage insurance system and broken healthcare
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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control the price
THAT'S THE PROBLEM, AMIGO.
ETA: Sorry for the all caps. But for real, I can provide literature that isn't the nonsensical pontification of ill-defined buzzwords that I'm sure you've gotten used to from the likes of Krugman and Chomsky. I'm getting sick of reading your non-Econ problem solving on here.
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:25 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I'll never understand why people on here care so much about what goes on in England and France, or at the local level in Berkley and NYC.
If you don't like it, don't live there.
This is the statement a states rights individual would make.....
But we all know you are a big govt man
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:28 pm to Patrick_Bateman
The healthcare system in the US is a system driven by corporate greed. Profits over patient well being. The escalating annual costs will never be reined in until that is resolved.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:31 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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if we had smaller government in this particular field it would be more likely to be successful, as crony capitalism has and will continue to destroy the republic in the wake of Citizens United.
Smaller gov't will always destroy crony capitalism. That's really not up for debate.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:31 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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The healthcare system in the US is a system driven by corporate greed. Profits over patient well being. The escalating annual costs will never be reined in until that is resolved.
And Obamacare does absolutely nothing to address this.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:31 pm to Mr.Perfect
The easiest way to analyze a country's health care system to see how much they spend per capital and what is life expectancy. It's that's simple really. Canada and Norway are doing it cheaper and they live longer than us.
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 7/5/14 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:32 pm to genuineLSUtiger
quote:You haven't a fricking clue what profits are, or what they represent.
The healthcare system in the US is a system driven by corporate greed. Profits over patient well being.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:33 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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The healthcare system in the US is a system driven by corporate greed.
Even from another country I can hear your ponytail swishing across the top of your beanbag as you turn your head to see if the joint has made it back to you yet. What fricking nonsense.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:33 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
And I guess you do huh genius? Spell it out for me smart guy.
Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:42 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Profit is the result of a mutually beneficial exchange.
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