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bradwieser
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Personal accountability is gone in the minds of liberal fricks like yourself
What about the personal accountability of the NFL?

Sure players knew football was dangerous. That doesn't mean they knew that re entering a game shortly after having a concussion could put you at risk of early onset dementia. Causing you at age forty to forget how to get home from the store.

Players aren't suing over bad knees and bad backs. They're suing because the NFL knew that certain conditions of employment were likely to cause serious brain injuries and hid that information from their employees. It'd be like your employer finding out that sitting in front of a computer for 8 hours a day would make your eyeballs explode after 5 years, not telling you, then when it happens everyone saying, well duh staring a a screen of light is bad for your eyeballs i guess you want a check for your lack of personal accountability.




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Hoops
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I'm not defending the actions of the NFL. My point is the former players aren't entitled to a check from this. Former players should be given free treatment, not money, for this now that it has been identified.





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cfotiger
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Ebbandflow says "Welfare is an elite-established institution that is in place to keep the very poor dependent instead of trying to rise up or riot."

Hey Ebby? I hate welfare but to say it is in place to keep the very poor dependent instead of trying to rise up or riot is just plain IMBECILIC.

Maybe you mean to say the EFFECT of welfare keeps MANY very poor dependent.

But it was not established to have that effect.

Really? You've been smoking or drinking?






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Ebbandflow
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someone knows smoking causes cancer as they choose to smoke should they also get a check? If someone knows a seatbelt can save their life but chooses to not wear it and dies in a wreck should thier family get a check? Personal accountability is gone in the minds of liberal fricks like yourself.



Its almost as if you didnt read what I said at all. I didnt say anything about checks. I was talking about research and treatment facilities. The NFL knows that its players can be hurt in the long term too. They make money from the same game. They can help their own

Btw comparing cigarettes to the game of football is ridiculous. I can see an NFL logo and a small disclaimer: NFL has been known to cause lingering brain injuries, many leading to slow death, in some players -surgeon general

We're talking about a joint money making venture, not buying a product thats dangerous.

The fact that you put the league and owners above the players make you a genuine moron. They can afford to treat the people they made money off of. Yoyr point about players knowing its dangerous is known but they arent the only part of the liability. Im sorry if you're too fricking stupid to understand that






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Ebbandflow
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Former players should be given free treatment, not money, for this now that it has been identified.


That was my point and you lambasted me for it






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Ebbandflow
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Hey Ebby? I hate welfare but to say it is in place to keep the very poor dependent instead of trying to rise up or riot is just plain IMBECILIC.

Maybe you mean to say the EFFECT of welfare keeps MANY very poor dependent.

But it was not established to have that effect.


Didnt imply I knew the reason it was established. I stated that i believe that is its function and those are some of the reason why. Unless people are handicapped in some way, welfare actually hurts a person. Its an enabler. Its a subtle bribe to not participate. At least thats what i believe






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TigersforEver
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There is no solution


Not true - google Riddell SpeedFlex helmets

Also, there are drugs being tested than might be able to combat the buildup of tau proteins that causes CTE






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TJG210
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an organization that doesnt even pay taxes


Please explain this to me......Do the individual clubs not pay taxes? If the league had to pay taxes it would effectively be double taxation. No different than how any other trade organization works....but keep spouting the uninformed stupid talking points you hear...rabble rabble rabble rabble






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Ebbandflow
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Please explain this to me......Do the individual clubs not pay taxes? If the league had to pay taxes it would effectively be double taxation. No different than how any other trade organization works....but keep spouting the uninformed stupid talking points you hear...rabble rabble rabble rabble


The league is its own organization and so are the teams but if the teams pay individual taxes then why doesnt the NFL. It isnt double taxation unless the teams split the tax liability of the NFL but considering the NFL gets paid for rights, emblems, jerseys...etc....they should also pay taxes.






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TigerBait1127
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he league is its own organization and so are the teams but if the teams pay individual taxes then why doesnt the NFL. It isnt double taxation unless the teams split the tax liability of the NFL but considering the NFL gets paid for rights, emblems, jerseys...etc....they should also pay taxes. 


Jesus.

You should understand the process before speaking about it.



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Lee Chatelain
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I feel bad football players are having issues. But they knew football was a game that you could get injured playing. They should get nothing.


Well that's common sense. Some people don't have that!






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MSMHater
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they should also pay taxes


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Being an exempt organization that is not a church, despite the religious awe that many have for the sport, the National Football League is required to file Form 990, which is a public record easily accessible on guidestar.org.

The most recent numbers available are for the years ending March 31, 2012 and March 31, 2011. There are losses in both years – $77,628,857 and $52,195,047 respectively. Those years are not anomalous. The National Football League has liabilities in excess of assets of $316,642,454. Superficially, it would appear that the 32 member teams of the NFL have increased their aggregate cumulative tax liability by over $100,000,000 due to the method of organization that they have chosen.


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Turning the money losing exempt organization into a taxable entity does not look like it will cost anybody any additional taxes. Conceivably if they organized it as an LLC, they might save a few dollars.


I'd be pissed if I had a tax liability on a $77 million dollar loss, but whatever. TV deals, concussions, medical bills, the shield, rabble, rabble, rabble...

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Alt26
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Sure players knew football was dangerous. That doesn't mean they knew that re entering a game shortly after having a concussion could put you at risk of early onset dementia. Causing you at age forty to forget how to get home from the store.


Did the NFL know the risk? There are certainly allegations that they did, however this thing never went to trial, thus no liability on the NFL's part was ever proven IIRC. Further, if the NFL had even a small inkling that such risk were present, don't you think at least one NFL player would have been privy to this information? I have serious doubts that all 28, 30, 32 teams colluded to such an extent to keep information from what at this point would have been thousands of players for a time period of over 40 years.

IMO, neither side of the dispute knew the full extent of the potential risk. They couldn't because medical science had not progressed that far at that point in time. The players are essentially arguing that the NFL had a duty to protect the players from themselves from medical risk that have only recently been identified. The question is did the NFL have such a duty? There are countless stories of guys in the 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's that flat out refused to listen to the medical personnel on the sidelines who advised them not to reenter games after they were injured. There has to be some personal accountability for that, doesn't there?


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Players aren't suing over bad knees and bad backs


Yet. There is blood in the water, and you can bet that an enterprising plaintiff's attorney will be looking to get a piece of the pie. This whole thing is a plaintiff's lawyers "wet dream" ala the tobacco and asbestos litigation. Enormously wealthy defendant, and many plaintiffs who have squandered much of the fortune they earned in their playing careers.


Should the NFL have some sort of program set up to facilitate the medical needs of its former players once they leave the game? Maybe. But many of these guys made, and are making 6,7 figure yearly salaries. Shouldn't they also bear some responsibility for ensuring that they're inevitable medical needs are taken care of after football?

What's happening slowly, but steadily, is that football as we know it is being litigated out of existence. The NFL is first, but their are already class action suits being filed on behalf of people who played football at the college and High School level. While the NFL may have the funds to settle with or compensate it's former players for any alleged damages incurred, do you think all college and HS organizations, school districts, etc. have that kind of money? Eventually, there will be so much litigation that colleges and HS will just end their football programs because it will be too expensive to operate due to the risk.

Maybe that's what some people want? However, judging by the NFL's popularity I don't think that's the case. In any event, don't complain about the NFL pricing out the "avg. fan". Teams are going to recoup the money lost in litigation from somewhere.






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justusstone
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What's happening slowly, but steadily, is that football as we know it is being litigated out of existence. The NFL is first, but their are already class action suits being filed on behalf of people who played football at the college and High School level. While the NFL may have the funds to settle with or compensate it's former players for any alleged damages incurred, do you think all college and HS organizations, school districts, etc. have that kind of money? Eventually, there will be so much litigation that colleges and HS will just end their football programs because it will be too expensive to operate due to the risk.



I don't post very much. But I have to agree with you here. This is my concern. This may not happen in our lifetimes but once this starts this could very well effect the future of football at all levels to the point that it is no longer beneficial to pursue the sport. Or in the least change it in a way that is no longer the sport that it was intended to be.






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LSUwag
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This is a shakedown. Nothing more than that.





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RoaringTiger33
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The question is not if the players knew they could get injured. The question is if the NFL owners know about concussion effects and if they should have made a rule change to mollify the damage. The facts seem to show that they did identify the problem through research but never did anything to implement a solution. NFL is liable.
Removing punches from boxing next on your retarded agenda?






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ranger350
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they make millions of dollars playing a game! I think that they can afford their own insurance policy.





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Ralph_Wiggum
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Sure many of you will criticize Alan Faneca because you say they knew they were playing a dangerous game and took the risks so they should get nothing.

They knew that they took a risk with many types of injuries and even paralysis, but there is evidence that the NFL and even the NCAA and high school ignored the risks of concussions and sent players out to play with concussions and after multiple concussions when the medical science at the time advised against it. That is why you see the NFL willing to settle in many cases.

Team doctors coaches and people in authority over their jobs sent them out to play without properly addressing their medical needs.

What will happen is that more and more parents of all races and income levels will forbid their kids from playing football and you will see more gifted athletes go into baseball, basketball, hockey, and soccer.






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Summer of George
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TigerFanNKaty
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That's exactly what the NFL needs to do. The corporation has plenty of money to throw around.





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