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re: 35 Practical Steps Men Can Take To Support Feminism
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:45 pm to LouisianaLady
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:45 pm to LouisianaLady
Beyond things that can and should be controlled (like gender biased hiring practices), complaining about gender inequality from a societal bent (like dating roles) is like wishing for no more rapists and murderers. You can choose to not be a rapist or murderer, and you can choose not to associate with or go places frequented by rapists and murderers, but I wish you well in trying to blog or hashtag it out of the world.
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:45 pm to LesMiles BFF
A woman is like a lock and a man like a key.
If many locks can be opened by a single key, it's a master key.
If many keys can open a single lock, it's a shitty lock.
I've heard that one a few times.
If many locks can be opened by a single key, it's a master key.
If many keys can open a single lock, it's a shitty lock.
I've heard that one a few times.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:46 pm to LouisianaLady
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Totally fine as long as you haven't either. It's okay to have different sexual beliefs, and a lot of people aren't comfortable with casual sex.
Completely agree with this statement. Casual sex may not be for me, but it can be for anyone else.
And I wouldn't expect of someone I'm with something I didn't practice myself.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:50 pm to LSU0812
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I have to admit that it's a really big challenge for me to get over dating a guy who's had a lot of sexual partners. I've only dated one guy like that, and it didn't last. That's the Catholic in me... Catholic guilt is real
I don't even know if it's Catholic guilt that stunted my sexual progress, but I remember thinking that women considered sex disgusting.
I can't pinpoint the time and place that I started thinking that, but the fact that my religious beliefs reinforced the idea of sex as being for a specific purpose and not for pleasure sure didn't help the matter.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:52 pm to LesMiles BFF
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I can't pinpoint the time and place that I started thinking that, but the fact that my religious beliefs reinforced the idea of sex as being for a specific purpose and not for pleasure sure didn't help the matter.
Seriously, read theology of the body. I promise that it will change your view.
Because of it, I can't wait to have awesome marriage sex
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:53 pm to GRTiger
These articles always make for good OT fodder. FWIW it is hard not to want to poke and piss off the kind of "feminist" that calls anything they don't like misogyny and talks up women's issues but does not seriously advocate for issues where men do not benefit.
Today there are a number of serious areas in which men are lagging behind women and could frankly use more equality but those have not been picked up by any serious group - and talking about them probably gets you labeled as extreme or crazy "men's rights" advocate guy... but consider:
who dies first? Men die significantly earlier
who is more likely to be murdered? men are more likely to be victims of violent crime including murder
who is more likely to be homeless? men are more likely to have nothing.
who is less likely to be educated? men are now doing significantly worse in school in general and graduate at significantly lower rates than women. no doubt this is due to the heavy patriachial dominance of the educational system
who is more likely to be jailed? men are more likely to be jailed and more likely to be executed for the same crimes as women.
This is not a "woe is me, poor men" discussion. This is about hypocrisy and IMO the feminist movement jumped the shark past reasonable discussion into purely selfish advocacy and dislike of men decades ago.
Today there are a number of serious areas in which men are lagging behind women and could frankly use more equality but those have not been picked up by any serious group - and talking about them probably gets you labeled as extreme or crazy "men's rights" advocate guy... but consider:
who dies first? Men die significantly earlier
who is more likely to be murdered? men are more likely to be victims of violent crime including murder
who is more likely to be homeless? men are more likely to have nothing.
who is less likely to be educated? men are now doing significantly worse in school in general and graduate at significantly lower rates than women. no doubt this is due to the heavy patriachial dominance of the educational system
who is more likely to be jailed? men are more likely to be jailed and more likely to be executed for the same crimes as women.
This is not a "woe is me, poor men" discussion. This is about hypocrisy and IMO the feminist movement jumped the shark past reasonable discussion into purely selfish advocacy and dislike of men decades ago.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:53 pm to GRTiger
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Beyond things that can and should be controlled (like gender biased hiring practices), complaining about gender inequality from a societal bent (like dating roles) is like wishing for no more rapists and murderers. You can choose to not be a rapist or murderer, and you can choose not to associate with or go places frequented by rapists and murderers, but I wish you well in trying to blog or hashtag it out of the world.
I don't like much of the internet media around it either
I read this awesome post the other day that said: "The men who are greeting potential dates of their daughters in their homes with guns in hand aren't teaching their own sons to be respectful to women they take on dates"
Obviously, it makes some bold assumptions that are blanketing, but it struck a chord. My brother is a sweet guy who learned a lot by having an older sister dating and seeing my side of things, but my dad never sat him down and taught him how to respect a woman. Just, luckily, he grew into a respectful dude. But many guys also aren't taught that and end up the dickheads we're discussing now.
I think the aim of a lot of these groups is having parents teach their sons how to be respectful so they grow up that way.
The rape crisis center I volunteer for has youth teachers that teach kids their own age about respecting each other sexually. Looking back on my youth, it's EXTREMELY common for a 15 year old to push and push sexual acts on girls because they legit have no idea it's bad/rapey.
My first boyfriend ever pushed and talked me into anything we ever did and I had no idea it was wrong until I became an adult.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 3:57 pm to molsusports
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This is about hypocrisy and IMO the feminist movement jumped the shark past reasonable discussion into purely selfish advocacy and dislike of men decades ago.
I do agree with this.
Examples of unfair social things to men:
A man can't play with kids/babysit/etc. without being treated like a pedophile. I've heard countless stories of men being treated poorly for taking their 3 year old niece to the park and playing with her and the other kids.
Men are often told to "man up" and not to show any emotion. They are expected to be solid and emotionless. Some women even go as far as to leave these men.
Men are automatically restrained (and often arrested) in domestic violence causes even when they themselves are the ones who called the police.
Men are expected to make money and support a woman.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:02 pm to LouisianaLady
I hate at work when "women" are excluded from certain jobs because of heavy lifting, grease, grim, or it's a mans job.
Women fought for equal rights I be damned pick up that 50 pound bag and get to work quit waiting on someone else.
Women fought for equal rights I be damned pick up that 50 pound bag and get to work quit waiting on someone else.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:04 pm to bulldog95
But then you are sexist who hates women if you don't do her job her job for her.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:04 pm to bulldog95
The bar I worked at had a rule that if you can't change/lift a keg, you can't work there. We had a 90lb chick working there too
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:06 pm to GRTiger
... Just... No.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:07 pm to GRTiger
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Beyond things that can and should be controlled (like gender biased hiring practices)
What's wrong with gender biased hiring practices? There are some jobs women aren't suited for and some that men aren't suited for.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:08 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Come on, man. Common sense. It's clear based on his stance throughout the thread that he's talking about all things equal except gender.
Not obvious things like lacking the physical ability to do something.
Not obvious things like lacking the physical ability to do something.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:10 pm to LouisianaLady
Well, I didn't read this whole thread, but I wasn't talking about strictly physical ability to complete the tasks. For instance, I don't think airlines should be forced to hire men as airline stewardesses or women as pilots.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:10 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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What's wrong with gender biased hiring practices?
What IS wrong, or what CAN be wrong? I didn't say eliminated. I just said controlled. How about gender-based promotions?
I'm aware of some of your positions on gender, but if there is something you think should not be allowed in that context, just plug that in there. It wasn't really the focus of the point anyway.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:10 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Well, I didn't read this whole thread, but I wasn't talking about strictly physical ability to complete the tasks. For instance, I don't think airlines should be forced to hire men as airline stewardesses or women as pilots.
Huh? I don't know what you mean by "forced", but they should pick the more qualified person in both instances.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:12 pm to LouisianaLady
Women are always more qualified to be stewardesses than men.
And by forced I mean there are laws that prevent them from refusing to hire men.
And by forced I mean there are laws that prevent them from refusing to hire men.
This post was edited on 6/18/14 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:12 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Women are always more qualified to be stewardesses than men.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 4:13 pm to LouisianaLady
That was not a joke.
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