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Should Arts and Humanities Majors be denied Grants and Loans?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:30 pm
Make arts and humanities type studies, graduate/master level degrees
taxpayers shouldn't be funding degrees that don't lead to direct professional employment
If school wants, they can grant/loan students from their endowments....no tax payer money
I looked and looked.....I'd like to see an unemployment/loan default list based on major(as a percentage)
I guess no academic institution sees the need to present a study showing which majors are "worth it" and which are not.
taxpayers shouldn't be funding degrees that don't lead to direct professional employment
If school wants, they can grant/loan students from their endowments....no tax payer money
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Half of recent grads are working jobs that don't require a degree, according to research from the Center for College Affordability and Productivity, released in January.
I looked and looked.....I'd like to see an unemployment/loan default list based on major(as a percentage)
I guess no academic institution sees the need to present a study showing which majors are "worth it" and which are not.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:31 pm to Iona Fan Man
Yep
Give em to engineering students
Give em to engineering students
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:32 pm to Iona Fan Man
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arts and humanities type studies
Chick majors, huh bruh
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:33 pm to Iona Fan Man
I think there is actually a study that shows, over time, a very large percentage of liberal arts majors and humanities majors earn more than other degree holders.
Let me see if I can find it. A friend of mine, a philosophy professor, sent me the article.
Let me see if I can find it. A friend of mine, a philosophy professor, sent me the article.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:34 pm to Iona Fan Man
Those are degrees I wouldn't pursue, but they are needed in society.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:37 pm to Iona Fan Man
No. We should, however, more heavily subsidize people to study for careers in Tech, healthcare, business, engineering, and science related fields.
Then we can say there truly is no excuse for majoring in Women's studies.
Then we can say there truly is no excuse for majoring in Women's studies.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:40 pm to Iona Fan Man
No, but the government should incentivize productive majors through better terms.
In a perfect world, we'd not only do that, but exaggerate the incentives or lack thereof the further down the chain you get.
Getting a humanities degree from a terrible school is not something the government should shell out 100k for. Government loan restrictions for for-profit institutions would largely dry up those cesspools, or at least make them legitimize their business model.
In a perfect world, we'd not only do that, but exaggerate the incentives or lack thereof the further down the chain you get.
Getting a humanities degree from a terrible school is not something the government should shell out 100k for. Government loan restrictions for for-profit institutions would largely dry up those cesspools, or at least make them legitimize their business model.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:41 pm to Iona Fan Man
Teachers should receive free tuition with a 20 year contract. If you quit prior, you repay in totality.
If they can't hack the 20 year committment, eliminate the middle man and enroll at Champions Real Estate School right after HS graduation.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:43 pm to Iona Fan Man
Not all, but many teachers have degrees in those fields, especially pre-secondary schools. That's employment.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:51 pm to Iona Fan Man
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Kashonly
I guess you believe that there is no place in our society for formally trained artists, even though art is what has always advanced culture forward.
Interesting.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:58 pm to Iona Fan Man
I say university degrees are for the aristocracy. The common man can find appropriate employment through trade schools.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:59 pm to Iona Fan Man
I'd be fine if they did away will all grants and loans...can't afford college, go to work
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:02 pm to Iona Fan Man
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taxpayers shouldn't be funding degrees that don't lead to direct professional employment
First, colleges aren't built to have anything to do with employment. So judging them, or the degrees they offer, based on this fact is inaccurate.
Second,
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If school wants, they can grant/loan students from their endowments....no tax payer money
Through research grants, which are massively more valuable in sciences and engineering, non-A&H grads usually have access to more pools of money if they really require it.
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I looked and looked.....I'd like to see an unemployment/loan default list based on major(as a percentage)
Does it matter? One of the best things that colleges do is build a varied and discipline-fluid workforce. Putting in measures, and legal restrictions, on that output is, well, ignorant.
Instead of wasting time telling people what they can't or shouldn't do...
We should help build humanities and art programs that are more efficient and direct in how they prepare students for jobs. You can't tell me that an English major has no place in the work force, because then, again, that's just ignorance.
The problem is that faculty and deans don't see the need for this, yet. Their focus is on creating miniature versions of themselves, so only the truly creative and/or ambitious can figure out how to use an A & H background effectively. We just need to break the clone cycle so that people understand the value of an A & H degree.
I mean, do you understand that this:
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Arts and Humanities Majors be denied Grants and Loans
Means you're effectively putting rails and limitations on knowledge output? Think about that for a second.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:10 pm to Iona Fan Man
Yeah, we don't need us no more educated people. The next great American novel will be written in business English with a liberal sprinkling of engineering and computer jargon.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:23 pm to Iona Fan Man
My wife got a sociology degree and makes above average money for people her age and with her commission probably more than a lot of posters here. Generalizing the potential of someone based on their chosen major isn't particilarly smart.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:32 pm to Iona Fan Man
My wife got a French Lit degree from LSU with tons of loans, her father was ill and past before she graduated, and yes she had to start on the bottom. She's never ever missed a payment. She makes very good money now and is way sharper than most of the business/MBA people she's up against.
I think it makes you stronger to study what you love. Hell, I studied physics and that's not immediately valuable to anyone.
I think it makes you stronger to study what you love. Hell, I studied physics and that's not immediately valuable to anyone.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:39 pm to Iona Fan Man
These kinds of threads are always so off.
I'm sorry you don't see value in people who don't have mechanical robot minds.
I'm sorry you don't see value in people who don't have mechanical robot minds.
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