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re: Why Are You Against Abortion?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 1:31 pm to moneyg
Posted on 5/1/14 at 1:31 pm to moneyg
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In truth, you are using the 1% as a tool in your argument. That's it. It's not like those who disagree with you would not be willing to come to an agreement on the elimination of non-special case abortions.
They may want to have another conversation about the special cases, but you indicating you can't discuss one without the other is simply dishonest.
We disagree. I'm not ignoring the 99 percent and making a big damn deal out of the 1 percent. I have never been pregnant. But I know plenty who have. And each and everyone of them recognizes that their life is now in jeopardy. Do these "special circumstances" happen a lot? No, but to the people it has happened to..it's a damn important thing. That 1 percent number you are quoting is people's lives.
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You've gone off the unreasonable ledge again. You shouldn't disparage the way that some people raise their kids any more than others should attack you for how you raise yours.
I fundamentally believe that there is a right time for children to be introduced to sexual themes. I don't think that makes me crazy.
And, while I don't care to go much further on this topic, there is a difference between casual sex being presented as "good" vs. murder being presented as "bad". Of course, I'm not suggesting that adult themes don't have a place on TV or advocating some strict control of the airwaves. I'm just saying that it's actually good parenting when someone filters the content that their child views.
NO ledge here. It's all a part of the whole problem. We don't teach our kids about sex. We push that problem on to others. Then we complain about things like the STD rate, abortion etc etc.
Parents can raise their kids any damn way they want. All we can do is hope they are preparing them to live among us in society.
More and more too few do raise their kids and we have to put up with these unholy terrors.
If you can't see that watching to people frick on tv is worlds better then watching two people murder someone on tv...
Well, there is the problem then isn't there.
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 1:34 pm to asurob1
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Earth to Bill, people should be able to do whatever they want to their body without interference.
Without limitations?
Teachers should be able to have sex with students as long as they are doing so with their own bodies?
Go take a look at any jail (male or female) and you will see them full of people that are incarcerated for something they did with their bodies.
But you believe
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people should be able to do whatever they want to their body without interference.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 1:41 pm to asurob1
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IDGAF what a women does with her body. It's the body of an innocent child I'm concerned with.
And when the two issues merge?
Rob you stated in a previous post that you do see the child in the womb as a person. However, you give priority to the woman's choice over the child's life. The woman's right to happiness over the child's right to live.
There is really nothing left to debate with you. You do not value life the way most people do. Very few people I have had this discussion with agree that the unborn is alive, and yet think the mother should have the right to abort, terminate or murder the life inside of her.
I can only wonder what causes you to be so pro woman-even more so than most women- that you allow your reasoning to become so distorted when it comes to this topic.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 1:54 pm to novabill
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Without limitations?
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Teachers should be able to have sex with students as long as they are doing so with their own bodies?
With both know I'm not talking about this.
Consenting adults should be able to do what the hell ever they want with their bodies.
Teachers fricking their students...pretty sure there aren't two consenting adults in that equation...nice try at the deflection though.
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Go take a look at any jail (male or female) and you will see them full of people that are incarcerated for something they did with their bodies.
But you believe
How's that war on drugs working out for you?
It's ridiculous how many people are rotting in prison for doing drugs.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 1:56 pm to asurob1
Wait. You say that men should not even be part of the debate, yet you, as a man, can speak for all women, and then say that those persons here who disagree with you somehow consider women only as objects and not capable of thinking for themselves. Can you not see the errors in that argument? I can see arguments about rape, etc., and actual decisions relative to the life of the woman, and even some sort of claim about a very early termination (won't agree but can see the argument) but to say men should have no say, and then argue so strongly makes no sense at all.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 1:57 pm to novabill
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Rob you stated in a previous post that you do see the child in the womb as a person. However, you give priority to the woman's choice over the child's life. The woman's right to happiness over the child's right to live.
yup
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There is really nothing left to debate with you. You do not value life the way most people do. Very few people I have had this discussion with agree that the unborn is alive, and yet think the mother should have the right to abort, terminate or murder the life inside of her.
Okay.
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I can only wonder what causes you to be so pro woman-even more so than most women- that you allow your reasoning to become so distorted when it comes to this topic.
It's not distorted at all, except perhaps to people like you.
But this isn't about me. It's about choices. I will always defend a woman's choice and her ability to make one. Because at the end of the day it's her life we are talking about. Not mine and not yours and neither of us have any right to meddle in the direction she chooses to go.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:00 pm to dinosaur
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Wait. You say that men should not even be part of the debate
nope we shouldnt be.
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as a man, can speak for all women, and then say that those persons here who disagree with you somehow consider women only as objects and not capable of thinking for themselves.
Don't be daft. I don't speak for all women. I am simply carrying on a debate on a message board.
Further, as you have seen there are in fact quite a few who view them just as I have said.
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I can see arguments about rape, etc., and actual decisions relative to the life of the woman, and even some sort of claim about a very early termination (won't agree but can see the argument)
See this is a huge issue. If a fetus is an innocent life then and you desire to protect said innocent life...then you should be arguing that all abortion should be illegal...without exception.
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but to say men should have no say, and then argue so strongly makes no sense at all.
The day after a man gives birth..then I will change my belief.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:00 pm to asurob1
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people should be able to do whatever they want to their body without interference.
Does this idiotic statement extend to the confused and emotionally scarred teenage girls who cut themselves with razor blades?
Or only when it fits your arguement?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:01 pm to Azranod
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Does this idiotic statement extend to the confused and emotionally scarred teenage girls who cut themselves with razor blades?
Or only when it fits your arguement?
Are they consenting adults?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:02 pm to asurob1
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Answer the question.
I did
Liar. You made a snide remark.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:02 pm to asurob1
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people
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teenage girls
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Are they consenting adults
Look at the quotes.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:05 pm to Wes B
It ends an innocent life. As the son of a mother who was put up for adoption as opposed to aborted. I'm grateful everyday that her birth mother chose to put my mom up for adoption, otherwise I may not be here.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:05 pm to Azranod
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Liar. You made a snide remark.
It wasn't the answer you wanted.
But it was my answer.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:07 pm to Azranod
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Look at the quotes.
you really aren't very bright are you.
Once again.
Are they consenting adults?
If the answer is yes.
Then what they do to and with their bodies is their own business.
Only people who think that they know what's best for the rest of the world think it's a good idea to meddle in the what people to choose to do with their lives.
People like you.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:07 pm to CMBears1259
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It ends an innocent life. As the son of a mother who was put up for adoption as opposed to aborted. I'm grateful everyday that her birth mother chose to put my mom up for adoption, otherwise I may not be here.
I'm grateful that your mom had the choice.
That really is what all this debate is about.
choice.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:08 pm to asurob1
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That's twice now that the only reply you've given to decent arguement is that little emoticon.
Shows why you're posting all this dribble.
there is dribble in this thread...but it's not coming from me.
The fact that the moron who posted that crap actually believes people vote based on whether or not their a "single mom" shows just how big of a lunatic you guys are.
You don't think that a single mother, with no job, no skills, and 4 kids, all of whom are on forms of government assistance(the mother and the kids) will vote for a candidate who wants to increase government assistance over a candidate who wants cuts made to these programs?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:11 pm to asurob1
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And yes Rob, that is name calling.
Of course it is.
It's all you got.
You certainly don't have a clue, or any idea how to buy one.
You're so jovial.
What a little rapscallion you are. 
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:14 pm to asurob1
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That's the problem. Whose morals? Yours? Mine?...honestly at the end of the day the only moral choice here is with the woman in question. Her's are the only ones that counts. The problem with you and others is you are attempting to push your morals/ethics on someone else. That's meddling. And that's where we have a disagreement.
No, the morals of society deem what is exceptable.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:16 pm to ninthward
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no law on earth gives you the moral or physical right over another, unless that is you still feel that women are objects
What about the unborn child? Is it only an object? By the quote above you strike down a woman's prerogative to abort.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 2:21 pm to asurob1
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Parental moral high ground alert, and the fact is most do not adopt.
Secondly, it is no one else's say what women can do with their body, no law on earth gives you the moral or physical right over another, unless that is you still feel that women are objects. That is the only way to condone the attitude that YOUR opinion, religion and moral character are above or better than another.
I think it's great that she adopted a baby.
Sadly, she is probably the only one in this entire thread who actually put her money where her mouth is. Everyone else is happy to force more women to give birth and then promptly abandon them the instant that fetus is out of the womb.
I am raising four children that share no DNA with me. I'm sure there are other step parents, adoptive parents, or foster parents posting here. You really just let this idiocracy fly freely?
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