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re: Why Are You Against Abortion?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:08 am to asurob1
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:08 am to asurob1
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Earth to Bill, people should be able to do whatever they want to their body without interference.
Your posts all come across as defensive rather than participating in an ideological debate. Your position is so black and white, that it seems like you are trying to convince yourself.
Any reasonable person who is pro-choice can also see the reasonability of those who are pro-life. The fact that you see everything so black and white is pretty telling, IMO.
When a human exists isn't only a legal question. When you use the legal definition to make a moral point, you are misguided.
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:10 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:11 am to asurob1
Some people, like me, believe life begins at conception, therefore in my mind abortion is the murder of an innocent child. Everyone who has ever had an abortion with the exception of those who's life was at risk can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned. No better than child rapists in my book.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:13 am to Turkey_Creek_Tiger
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My solution put it up for a vote by all the women in the country and the result becomes the law.
women aren't qualified to make that decision
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:51 am to moneyg
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Your posts all come across as defensive rather than participating in an ideological debate. Your position is so black and white, that it seems like you are trying to convince yourself.
Unfortunately the nature of this board and this debate forces one to that corner.
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Any reasonable person who is pro-choice can also see the reasonability of those who are pro-life. The fact that you see everything so black and white is pretty telling, IMO.
I actually see both sides of the debate...further I could easily argue both sides of the debate. I get it, some people believe that the life inside the woman is more important then what the woman wants for her life. I simply fall on the other side of that coin and believe that the woman's life is the more important of the two. Note, I said "life".
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When a human exists isn't only a legal question. When you use the legal definition to make a moral point, you are misguided.
That's the problem. Whose morals? Yours? Mine?...honestly at the end of the day the only moral choice here is with the woman in question. Her's are the only ones that counts. The problem with you and others is you are attempting to push your morals/ethics on someone else. That's meddling. And that's where we have a disagreement.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:52 am to Turkey_Creek_Tiger
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women aren't qualified to make that decision
And you wonder why people like you don't get taken seriously in this sort of debate.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 11:57 am to asurob1
it's amazing that in 2014 that there are such prejudiced people against women, gays, people of different races or religions.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:01 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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great, why dont you adopt it?
I did.
Parental moral high ground alert, and the fact is most do not adopt.
Secondly, it is no one else's say what women can do with their body, no law on earth gives you the moral or physical right over another, unless that is you still feel that women are objects. That is the only way to condone the attitude that YOUR opinion, religion and moral character are above or better than another.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:08 pm to ninthward
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Secondly, it is no one else's say what women can do with their body
IDGAF what a women does with her body. It's the body of an innocent child I'm concerned with.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:08 pm to ninthward
As an athiest, I am against it. It perpetuates bad behavior. It skirts the responsibility of the mother which is to be a good host for the life she created. It isn't the mother's body as the DNA is different. Viability doesn't float either as a newborn baby isn't viable unless the mother cares for it then. With very few exceptions, the abortion supporters just seem to like the option to kill the baby because it's a real pain in the arse wet blanket for the mother.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:11 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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it's amazing that in 2014 that there are such prejudiced people against women, gays, people of different races or religions.
Honestly, it's not that amazing to me anymore. Before I started to haunt this forum, I actually had come to believe that our country had progressed beyond such things to a point where it wasn't much of an issue anymore.
I don't know if it's the proliferation of the internet or what. But anymore I'm starting to believe that we are worse off then we were in the 70s and 80s.
It's frustrating to hear people talk about how great America is then watch those same people defend the actions of guys like Sterling or Bundy while bashing women's ability to do things like vote.
Guess we aren't as mature of a society as I thought.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:13 pm to ninthward
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Parental moral high ground alert, and the fact is most do not adopt.
Secondly, it is no one else's say what women can do with their body, no law on earth gives you the moral or physical right over another, unless that is you still feel that women are objects. That is the only way to condone the attitude that YOUR opinion, religion and moral character are above or better than another.
I think it's great that she adopted a baby.
Sadly, she is probably the only one in this entire thread who actually put her money where her mouth is. Everyone else is happy to force more women to give birth and then promptly abandon them the instant that fetus is out of the womb.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:13 pm to asurob1
You must think because I think women shouldn't vote that I'm prejudice against them.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:13 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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IDGAF what a women does with her body. It's the body of an innocent child I'm concerned with.
And when the two issues merge?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:14 pm to asurob1
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That's the problem. Whose morals? Yours? Mine?...honestly at the end of the day the only moral choice here is with the woman in question. Her's are the only ones that counts. The problem with you and others is you are attempting to push your morals/ethics on someone else. That's meddling. And that's where we have a disagreement.
There is a dilemma here...and that's the acknowledgement of a 3rd party...the human being terminated.
Your argument above only makes sense if you don't acknowledge that. You've made no new point.
I could make a damn good argument that you are putting the convenience of a woman over the life of a child.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:15 pm to asurob1
In the case of the mother's health I am okay with it.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:16 pm to RaginCajunz
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With very few exceptions, the abortion supporters just seem to like the option to kill the baby because it's a real pain in the arse wet blanket for the mother.
ummm no.
Beyond your lack of understanding of science...which..is ...scary...
Most abortion supporters could really give a frick whether the mom chooses to abort her give birth to the baby in question.
Most abortion supporters want her to have that choice.
Personally, keep, adopt, abort...I don't actually care which choice the pregnant girl makes as long as she has that choice...
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:16 pm to ninthward
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Parental moral high ground alert, and the fact is most do not adopt.
Secondly, it is no one else's say what women can do with their body, no law on earth gives you the moral or physical right over another, unless that is you still feel that women are objects. That is the only way to condone the attitude that YOUR opinion, religion and moral character are above or better than another.
Again, it takes someone who is in denial to be unable to understand the other side of the argument.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:20 pm to asurob1
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Sadly, she is probably the only one in this entire thread who actually put her money where her mouth is. Everyone else is happy to force more women to give birth and then promptly abandon them the instant that fetus is out of the womb.
What percentage of newborn babies put up for adoption are never adopted?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:21 pm to asurob1
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With very few exceptions, the abortion supporters just seem to like the option to kill the baby because it's a real pain in the arse wet blanket for the mother.
ummm no.
Beyond your lack of understanding of science...which..is ...scary...
Most abortion supporters could really give a frick whether the mom chooses to abort her give birth to the baby in question.
Most abortion supporters want her to have that choice.
Personally, keep, adopt, abort...I don't actually care which choice the pregnant girl makes as long as she has that choice...
What lack of understanding of science do you reference? The fact that if you toss a newborn baby out into the woods it will most likely not survive?
You support her making the choice to kill the baby. I get that. My argument is that she had the choice to engage in behavior which is designed for making a baby. The choice was there, she made it. I support that choice whole hardheartedly. I do not support her decision to abort that life no more than I support her decision to kill her 6 month old baby.
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