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re: Walmart wants to go organic; attacks status symbols
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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there will be a shift (likely along with the price differential shifting) where people see GMOs as scientifically-engineered super foods that poor people can't afford.
One of the primary motivations for developing GMO products is to augment them with specific nutrients to aid some of the poorest people in the world.
Genetically modified rice is a prime example of this, and it's used to help individuals in developing nations with Vitamin A deficiencies. By employing biosynthetic genes from numerous organisms, transgenic rice can be created that contains the entire biosynthetic pathway leading to the synthesis of beta-carotene, which is converted to Vitamin A shortly after ingestion.
Edible vaccines are also employed as prophylactics in developing nations. Targeted, non-toxic recombinant cholera toxins are expressed as transgenes in potatoes or bananas, which stimulate the immune system via the normal route of entry, thereby conferring protection from future infections.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 11:55 am
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:51 am to SDVTiger
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Im glad you support this shite. Hopefully we can get labeling but im sure you dont support that
Hell, I'm indifferent. If you would actually do some research, you'd find out it's more fear mongering to prop up organic or non corporate farming than anything.
Don't get me wrong, I'll go through phases where I'll eat the organic stuff and don't mind it, but it's really not healthier for you.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
The problem when this topic comes up are the people that take the extreme view one way or the other.
All food is created equal, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with eating highly processed food. There isn't any evidence that clearly indicates organic food is any better for you in any way. Eating mass produced and mass processed beef is no different than eating grass fed, farm raised beef. Etc, etc.
Or
Organic food is the only way to live, if it isn't certified organic you're eating poison. Monsanto is the devil, and you're going to turn into the Toxic Avenger if you shop at Walmart. Etc, etc.
The truth always lies somewhere in the middle. You can't convince me that all food is the same. There is definitely better quality food out there, and some companies have a higher standard of quality than others. If you are more comfortable eating food labeled as organic, and willing to pay a little extra, then who am I to make fun of you for being conscious about what you put in your body?
Has the whole "organic" label turned into a big marketing scheme? Most likely, but I do buy organic eggs and milk because they seem to last longer. I also try to search out better quality meat. There is no way on gods green earth that you can convince me that all meat is created equal.
Also, I try to support local companies, not only because they are local, but common sense tells you that they tend to be fresher and don't need as many preservatives to ship.
All food is created equal, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with eating highly processed food. There isn't any evidence that clearly indicates organic food is any better for you in any way. Eating mass produced and mass processed beef is no different than eating grass fed, farm raised beef. Etc, etc.
Or
Organic food is the only way to live, if it isn't certified organic you're eating poison. Monsanto is the devil, and you're going to turn into the Toxic Avenger if you shop at Walmart. Etc, etc.
The truth always lies somewhere in the middle. You can't convince me that all food is the same. There is definitely better quality food out there, and some companies have a higher standard of quality than others. If you are more comfortable eating food labeled as organic, and willing to pay a little extra, then who am I to make fun of you for being conscious about what you put in your body?
Has the whole "organic" label turned into a big marketing scheme? Most likely, but I do buy organic eggs and milk because they seem to last longer. I also try to search out better quality meat. There is no way on gods green earth that you can convince me that all meat is created equal.
Also, I try to support local companies, not only because they are local, but common sense tells you that they tend to be fresher and don't need as many preservatives to ship.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 12:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
So anyone want to argue whether or not grass fed beef differs from walmart beef.
Or if artificial sweeteners are linked to cancer.
Or if hormones in walmart meat is linked to 6 year old girls growing boobs.
Or all the chemical perservatives in wal mart food.
You are crazy to think these above things are not harmful over a life time.
Or if artificial sweeteners are linked to cancer.
Or if hormones in walmart meat is linked to 6 year old girls growing boobs.
Or all the chemical perservatives in wal mart food.
You are crazy to think these above things are not harmful over a life time.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 12:12 pm to tenderfoot tigah
Take it up with Stanford researchers
The non organic stuff you buy in stores has such low levels of pesticides that it appears to be a non factor.
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The researchers did find, however, that organic milk and chicken contained higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids, a healthy fat also found in fish that can reduce the risk of heart disease. Organic produce also contained more total phenols than conventional varieties; phenols include flavonoids that work as antioxidants to fight genetic damage that can lead to cancer and even some neurological disorders like Parkinson’s. But these nutritional differences were small, and the researchers were reluctant to make much of them until further studies confirm the trends.
Based on the few studies included in the analysis that compared health outcomes in people eating organic vs. conventional, there was no evidence that one group was healthier than the other. Some of the studies found that children eating organic produce had lower levels of pesticide residue in their urine than those consuming conventional produce, but the numbers were too small to draw any general conclusions.
Smith-Spangler says the findings should help to educate consumers at the market about what they are buying. Organic foods are produced with fewer pesticides and more natural-growing practices, but that doesn’t always translate into a more nutritious or healthier product.
The non organic stuff you buy in stores has such low levels of pesticides that it appears to be a non factor.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I'm a bartender
based on what?
hell a doctor is posting in this thread
i'm a lawyer. jroyce is an accountant. you're dealing with educated, intelligent people
Posted on 4/20/14 at 12:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Organic chickens. Lol
Posted on 4/20/14 at 12:19 pm to rintintin
quote:
All food is created equal, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with eating highly processed food. There isn't any evidence that clearly indicates organic food is any better for you in any way.
You can't synonymize "highly processed food" and "non-organic". There are many non-organic products that are minimally processed.
Eating highly processed foods is most certainly not ideal for one's health. Many preservatives and dyes have been shown to exhibit carcinogenic effects in vitro.
The problem with this debate is that certain individuals don't fully understand what it means when something is labelled as "organic". The individuals endorsing organic products are operating with a different understanding of "organic" when compared to those who denounce the label.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 12:20 pm to Tiger1242
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Lol wut? No sorry I taste with my tongue not with my thoughts
He's right.
You're wrong.
Sorry.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 12:25 pm to Zantrix
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Believe it or not, but its the same exact shite as the stuff that comes from the corner produce stand, mom and pop grocery store, or *gasp*...WALMART. Want to know how I know? I used to drive for a refrigerated trucking company a couple of years ago - and guess what? I'd get 30,000 lbs of the same exact stuff and deliver it to the WalMart grocery warehouse, the independent grocery warehouse, and the Whole Foods grocery warehouses. ITS THE SAME shite. Get used to it.
Exactly right. I've got a buddy who owns his on reffer trucks and he's told me the same exact things. The shite people by at places like Whole Foods is the exact same shite off the exact same truck as what other people buy at walmart. The only difference is the price and the sense of smugness assholes get from shopping at whole foods.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 4/20/14 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
That was directed at someone who suggested I eat hemlock because it's natural. I know you are a lawyer SFP. I've been around the OT since before you were in law school. I know you are very good at arguing a point and can make a case for anything. You're picking out what you want to attack. I know there are educated people in this thread. I also know that I am probably the only person who has taken any food science classes at an Ivy League school and works in this industry. I'm not the most well educated on the subject and may nt be making great arguments, I wear a lot of hats and nutritionist is further down the list, but I'm pretty level headed on the subject and in no way extreme. I've stated several times that I don't exclusively buy organic. Again, education, local, season, sustainable. That's what I'm about.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 12:28 pm to ZacAttack
quote:You should get out more.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone defend Monsanto
Posted on 4/20/14 at 12:35 pm to Cs
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You can't synonymize "highly processed food" and "non-organic". There are many non-organic products that are minimally processed.
True, but it illustrates the extreme view I was trying to portray.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 12:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
If I'm Whole Foods, I don't know if I would mind Wal Mart coming in and squeezing the producers.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 12:58 pm to fbb
only walmart is going to gain the benefits, though. that's what walmart does
Posted on 4/20/14 at 1:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
If Wal Mart can mainstream the organic movement, I think it opens new avenues for the established players. The real market here for Wal Mart is convincing any part of their massive shopping base to trade up.
The hippies/blue bloods/posers are too insignificant and too entrenched for WM to fight over.
I thought Whole Foods owned Wild Oats, anyway, so maybe I'm off-base on the rest as well.
The hippies/blue bloods/posers are too insignificant and too entrenched for WM to fight over.
I thought Whole Foods owned Wild Oats, anyway, so maybe I'm off-base on the rest as well.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 1:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
Good discussion. I'm not sure if I want to be even more careful about what I buy and eat or just say frick it and eat whatever I want, now.
I shop at four different places and am trying to do some gardening. Sometimes I buy "organic" when it looks better or is the only option (like at Costco). But really focusing on anything beyond portion control,non-(or min)processed, low-starch/sugar/sodium, varied diet and regular exercise and activity stresses me out and is counterproductive.
I shop at four different places and am trying to do some gardening. Sometimes I buy "organic" when it looks better or is the only option (like at Costco). But really focusing on anything beyond portion control,non-(or min)processed, low-starch/sugar/sodium, varied diet and regular exercise and activity stresses me out and is counterproductive.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 4/20/14 at 2:09 pm to rintintin
quote:
All food is created equal, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with eating highly processed food.
Bull-fricking-shite.
We can argue organic versus non-organic all day but highly processed food simply isn't optimal for your body.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:10 am to Antonio Moss
The OT. Where a box of Smores Pop Tarts is just as good for you as organic bananas.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:23 am to Rohan2Reed
Skimming through this thread it seems people confuse the term organic to believe it produces a nutritionally healthier product.
IMO, organic has an advantage because of what it doesn't have.(ie pesticides and hormones)
ETA: I'm sure there is plenty of evidence to show the levels of pesticides and hormones are not unhealthy. At one time lead paint, asbestos, Fen Phin, heroin, mercury, benzene weren't issues either.
IMO, organic has an advantage because of what it doesn't have.(ie pesticides and hormones)
ETA: I'm sure there is plenty of evidence to show the levels of pesticides and hormones are not unhealthy. At one time lead paint, asbestos, Fen Phin, heroin, mercury, benzene weren't issues either.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 12:29 am
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