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Giantkiller is going to lose this discussion.





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Giantkiller is going to lose this discussion
just like the pelicans lose games






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He'd be right if AD were at the end of his second deal, but he's far from it. We have a while to get our shite together.





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Why did we "need" to make the playoffs this year?


I feel like Anthony Davis is a game changer. In the second year of his rookie contract, it's imperative the team show him we're on the cusp. That we're the perfect place to build a team around. I get that everybody got hurt this year, but I still feel like with some solid coaching, we make more of a splash than we ended up with on the whole. Where do you think we end up next year? Far enough rebuilt to make him stick around?






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And yeah, he's not Chris Paul. But at what point did CP start pushing off negotiations? By his 3rd year, we were making much bigger waves than its looking like Monty's touching. I just don't feel like this guy is ever gonna win a championship. And if you want to resign superstars, you have to make them feel like you'll eventually be able to make that stretch. You think Monty is the guy? Really?





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I feel like Anthony Davis is a game changer. In the second year of his rookie contract, it's imperative the team show him we're on the cusp. That we're the perfect place to build a team around. I get that everybody got hurt this year, but I still feel like with some solid coaching, we make more of a splash than we ended up with on the whole. Where do you think we end up next year? Far enough rebuilt to make him stick around?



Um he's sticking around for at least 4 years(or more).

He seems really happy here and i'm sure he's smart enough to understand what's been going down.






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And yeah, he's not Chris Paul. But at what point did CP start pushing off negotiations? By his 3rd year, we were making much bigger waves than its looking like Monty's touching. I just don't feel like this guy is ever gonna win a championship. And if you want to resign superstars, you have to make them feel like you'll eventually be able to make that stretch. You think Monty is the guy? Really?



CP3's entourage(his brother and his posse) were in his ear constantly. It also didn't help we had an awful owner/GM.

The pels would've more than likely been in the playoffs this year if healthy.

He has tons of talent around him(Tyreke/Jrue/Ryno etc) and we have stable ownership.

We're in much better shape than what CP3 was is in.




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AD will sign the Kevin Love extension and will be in New Orleans through, at a minimum, 2018.





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We get it

You hate the way we rebuilt this team.



That's absolutely right. Here are some facts:

Monty:

1. Monty has a .410 winning percentage in his 4 years as a coach in the NBA. Yes, some bad things have happened in those 4 years (the Chris Paul trade, the injuries, and all the other excuses you can think of)but that doesn't explain the crazy lineups he puts on the floor that get their arse handed to them time after time.

2. Monty's teams consistently collapse in the second half. The big part of why that happens is because Monty can't do in-game adjustments. The other coaches adjust; Williams can't. He has a game plan and that's it. If the game plan doesn't work (and it hasn't in 59% of the games he's coached), it's always someone else who is at fault.

3. Sometimes in coaching, you lose your job to create a new beginning and new expectations. Losing is a cancer and it destroys the desire to proceed. If Monty doesn't get his walking papers (and it looks like he won't) and we get the same old crap next season, what does Benson do? Does he fire him during the season? Does he wait until the end of the season? Either way we lose the whole season because any interim coach you come up with isn't likely to make much of a difference. So, we lose another season and AD experiences another dose of sitting on the outside when the playoffs are going on. We are fast getting to the point where AD is going to start looking for greener grass when contract time comes along (please don't give me the crap about how we can offer more money than another team because, as D. Howard proved, the money isn't always a final factor).

Demps:

1. Eric Gordon

2. Eric Gordon

3. Eric Gordon

The Gordon move alone would justify running his arse down the road. Not trading Gordon was the most idiotic thing I've seen in a while. The man was a medical risk from the get go; added to that he publicly begged the team to trade him. Demps ignored all of that and gave him a max contract.
Now, the team announced that Gordon will be coming off the bench next year. That's special!

We don't need to get into the fact that we don't have a 5 and nothing was done to address it. We don't have to get into the fact that he was trying to corner the market on guards and forgot there was a hole at SF.

So, yeah, I don't like the way the team was "rebuilt" because it wasn't rebuilt. There are major holes and little money to address the problem and most probably no 1st round pick either.

The team "is a work in progress", according to Demps. The problem is there isn't any progress.



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I kinda agree with him on the 20 games into next season prediction





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He seems really happy here and i'm sure he's smart enough to understand what's been going down.


First and foremost, how do you know this?

If you think that guys like LeBron, Carmelo, and Chris Paul (all guys who left their original teams seeking a better chance to win it all) didn't give AD an education on the value of "moving on" when they played together in London, that would be very native. Players realize that you have to win championships to even be mentioned as a great player...and that's what they're after.

Ownership can ask fans to be patient and support a loser and we do; we don't have a choice. Players don't have to buy into the warm and fuzzy BS that management throws out there.



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. In the second year of his rookie contract, it's imperative the team show him we're on the cusp. That we're the perfect place to build a team around. I get that everybody got hurt this year, but I still feel like with some solid coaching, we make more of a splash than we ended up with on the whole. Where do you think we end up next year? Far enough rebuilt to make him stick around?


No coach, and I mean no coach, would have taken this roster (considering injuries) to the playoffs. It is ludicrous to assume otherwise. Seriously, look at the players who were available to play. You can make a reasonable argument that Monty's coaching may have cost us a few games. But like all such arguments, they are speculation.

AD is a bright enough kid to avoid making any decisions or long term assumptions on this fricked up season.






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Either way we lose the whole season because any interim coach you come up with isn't likely to make much of a difference. So, we lose another season and AD experiences another dose of sitting on the outside when the playoffs are going on. We are fast getting to the point where AD is going to start looking for greener grass when contract time comes along 


fricking this. I can't understand some of the other posters on this board who seem to think AD had some good-guy loyalty. He wants to win. This season was squandered, injuries or not. If we keep Monty, shitcan him 20 games into next year and go with an interim coach, he's 100% gone. Now the stage is set for some humongous off-season roster moves and a huge run into the playoffs next season to even make him THINK this team has a shot at winning a title. That's a pretty tall order. Face it. MONTY IS A TRAINWRECK. I'd love to bookmark this page and come back and eat crow with them winning a title next year, but I have a feeling we'll be ending the year with that mushy faced white dude as HC who talks to Jenn at halftime because Monty's off somewhere watching cartoons on his ipad.






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1. Monty has a .410 winning percentage in his 4 years as a coach in the NBA. Yes, some bad things have happened in those 4 years (the Chris Paul trade, the injuries, and all the other excuses you can think of)but that doesn't explain the crazy lineups he puts on the floor that get their arse handed to them time after time.

2. Monty's teams consistently collapse in the second half. The big part of why that happens is because Monty can't do in-game adjustments. The other coaches adjust; Williams can't. He has a game plan and that's it. If the game plan doesn't work (and it hasn't in 59% of the games he's coached), it's always someone else who is at fault.


Years two and three he had bad, non-competitive rosters. You can't seriously argue otherwise. Then, this year there were the injuries. Again, you can make the argument that other coaches may have done better. Perhaps. But, again, speculation.

I agree that there were questionable lineups and rotations. However, the alleged "second half" collapses could be attributed to young players and crappy players. Besides, those "collapses" were not the norm in the second half of this past season. In fact, this team played hard.

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3. Sometimes in coaching, you lose your job to create a new beginning and new expectations. Losing is a cancer and it destroys the desire to proceed. If Monty doesn't get his walking papers (and it looks like he won't) and we get the same old crap next season, what does Benson do? Does he fire him during the season? Does he wait until the end of the season? Either way we lose the whole season because any interim coach you come up with isn't likely to make much of a difference. So, we lose another season and AD experiences another dose of sitting on the outside when the playoffs are going on. We are fast getting to the point where AD is going to start looking for greener grass when contract time comes along (please don't give me the crap about how we can offer more money than another team because, as D. Howard proved, the money isn't always a final factor).


If Monty shits the bed this next season, the likelihood is that Benson (with consultation from Loomis, Lauscha and Demps) will bid Monty adios. I think you can rest assured of that (however, I have a feeling that even if the team makes the second round of the playoffs, you'll be bitching because a "real" coach would have won the Western Conference title).

All available objective evidence suggests that Davis is close to Monty and his teammates. That doesn't mean Monty has license to fail, but it does suggest that Davis isn't nearly as agitated as you seem to be.

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Demps:

1. Eric Gordon

2. Eric Gordon

3. Eric Gordon

The Gordon move alone would justify running his arse down the road. Not trading Gordon was the most idiotic thing I've seen in a while. The man was a medical risk from the get go; added to that he publicly begged the team to trade him. Demps ignored all of that and gave him a max contract.
Now, the team announced that Gordon will be coming off the bench next year. That's special!


Yep, in retrospect, signing Gordon hasn't worked out for shite. But, and I said this at the time, in a real sense and for legitimate reasons, Demps, as a relatively new GM, had to play hardball with Gordon and Phoenix. I don't put near as much stock in the "my heart is in Phoenix" bull shite as some of you do. To hell with that sort of bull shite. And, without Gordon, we would have received exactly dick for losing CP3. Who really knows what reasonable trade offers were available at the time to Demps.

Now, as it turns out, the injury issues have continued (although not as much this season). And he doesn't have the explosiveness he once had. And, yeah, his contract sucks and he'll be hard to unload. But that one signing alone is not a fireable offense, imo.

I have my doubts about Monty and Demps. I do. But they'll get this season to right the ship. I am confident that Benson and company will not tolerate a shite sandwich. That management has shown its not afraid to make a move when necessary with the Saints.

We are not at the point where we should be pissing our pants worrying about AD leaving. Actually, I'd bet money that if Monty were fired tomorrow, you'd hear a pretty loud complaint from AD. That may change over the course of next season, but its not the case now.







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No coach, and I mean no coach, would have taken this roster (considering injuries) to the playoffs.


I think a few would have. Especially Thibodeau.

Now, I agree no coaches available mid season could have done it.



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I could see it. Injuries are the only reason he's coming back. Give him a healthy roster to start the year and if we doesn't look like a playoff team by 20 games his seat will start heating up quickly.





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I think a few would have. Especially Thibodeau.


You must have a far higher opinion of the rosters we've had than I do.






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If Monty shits the bed this next season, the likelihood is that Benson (with consultation from Loomis, Lauscha and Demps) will bid Monty adios.


If Monty shits the bed next year, Davis is gone. There's no way he resigns. I'd bet my house on it.






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So who gets fired besides Pierre the first. RIP


#justiceforpierre






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