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re: Armed robber was never told to report to prison
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:12 pm to Golfer
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:12 pm to Golfer
quote:You punish someone for fricking up (which can also be construed as a deterrent, I guess). He wasn't punished here.
You punish someone so they don't do something again.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 4:18 pm
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:15 pm to boom roasted
To me the main use of prison is to remove harmful people from society. Rehabilitation doesn't really happen, and punishment for the sake of punishment isn't a productive goal. Punishment is only productive in using prison as a deterrent. Neither valid reasons that I listed above apparently apply in this situation. To me it serves no good to society to keep him locked up.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:16 pm to Peazey
I don't think he should be locked up either, but it wouldn't sit right with me if he got away clean.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:18 pm to Peazey
How many other prisoners would lead successful lives if they got the same opportunity? That's a slippery slope you don't want to set any semblance of a precedent for.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:19 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Man this is crazy
I actually know the guy. We used to work at Wendy's together over a decade ago
I actually know the guy. We used to work at Wendy's together over a decade ago
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:20 pm to boom roasted
quote:
You punish someone for fricking up (which can also be construed as a deterrent, I guess). He wasn't punished here.
im assuming he was arrested, went through a trial, and lived with his future in doubt for quite some time. i wont argue that he served 13 years in jail, but i do think he ended up going through some unpleasantness as a result of his actions too.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:22 pm to Walt OReilly
quote:
Man this is crazy
I actually know the guy. We used to work at Wendy's together over a decade ago
I don't believe you.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:23 pm to NoSaint
quote:No doubt about it, but he also robbed a dude with a firearm (or at least the victim thought it was). I don't think he should serve time but I don't think community service is unfair. The dude would probably cut off his pinky toe to come out of this with community service.
i do think he ended up going through some unpleasantness as a result of his actions too.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:23 pm to NoSaint
quote:
im assuming he was arrested, went through a trial, and lived with his future in doubt for quite some time.
Can you imagine when he got pulled over for those traffic citations? Had to have been thinking he was about to be on his way to jail.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:23 pm to Byron Bojangles III
In this instance, pretty tame crime, no real gun, no one hurt, I'd say find some other punishment that prison, if anything. If his crime was worse I'd say he should still go but this is pretty extreme.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:24 pm to Walt OReilly
quote:And you knew the skateboarder from yesterday. You get around.
Man this is crazy
I actually know the guy. We used to work at Wendy's together over a decade ago
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:25 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
How many other prisoners would lead successful lives if they got the same opportunity? That's a slippery slope you don't want to set any semblance of a precedent for.
As I said earlier in the thread that it's an interesting thing to think about. I think there are serious problems with the prison system in this country. I don't have any solutions, but I think it's clear that there are serious problems. It's much easier to point out problems than find solutions.
Many people might have turned their lives around. Many might have committed more crimes, and it's a good thing that they were locked away. Regardless we're past that point with this guy. It isn't a typical situation. It's best to evaluate the situation as is and make an individual judgment call.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:27 pm to Peazey
It really does suck for the guy. We all make mistakes when we're young. And most of the time they don't come back to haunt us 15 years later.
I wonder why the MO gov is sitting on it this long.
I wonder why the MO gov is sitting on it this long.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:30 pm to boom roasted
quote:
No doubt about it, but he also robbed a dude with a firearm. I don't think he should serve time but I don't think community service is unfair.
i wouldnt be terribly upset by that, but i think that is bending to the emotion of "but if you do something wrong you should get in trouble" which obviously isnt always true. especially if the state really blows their end of the deal.
really, i dont care what the offense is, or how he was living life in this case, im arguing if the state doesnt attempt to execute the punishment within X window of time, it should be expire (unless he is resisting it or on the run or something) and simply show on his record as a conviction. even if he did something thats terrible and doesnt seem to be a stellar human being these days.
the ability to say "i sentence you to one year starting any day i whimsically choose to burst into your house with a SWAT team" is absolutely terrible and THAT is a far worse slope to start sliding down in my book.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:54 pm to boom roasted
quote:
Does he have another option?
_________________________________________Sounds like the situation is out of the hands of the DA. He has done is job. I don't know Missouri law, but it seems like it's up to the court and/or the government.
If I were the DA I wouldn't just hope the governor does the right thing. I would contact them and do what I could to help a person whom has helped himself.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 4:56 pm to LSUintheNW
I understand that. It sounded like people thought the DA had control over this.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:07 pm to thetempleowl
quote:
Lets lock the guy up and have him cost the system whatever the cost of incarceration is. Idk, 60k a year?
The other option is have him work and pay taxes since he turned his life around.
Well, if you work for the jails, you want him to have to go to jail.
Everyone else wants him left out.
It is ridiculous to even think about putting him in jail.
I agree.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:23 pm to NoSaint
quote:
the ability to say "i sentence you to one year starting any day i whimsically choose to burst into your house with a SWAT team" is absolutely terrible and THAT is a far worse slope to start sliding down in my book.
Very well said.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:33 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
How many other prisoners would lead successful lives if they got the same opportunity? That's a slippery slope you don't want to set any semblance of a precedent for.
This is why the governor should commute the sentence. That is the best solution. It's obvious that this guy is not a threat to society and has his life in order. You do not want to set a precedent in case law where some rapist never has to go to prison because they forgot about him for a few years.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:34 pm to Byron Bojangles III
If he was convicted of armed robbery, why was he just sent home after court and told to wait?
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