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re: BLM now taking land from TX rancher....but he owns his land - UPDATED

Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:05 am to
Posted by son of arlo
State of Innocence
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:05 am to
Take a deep breath and edit that out. I'm on your side but comments like that are uncalled for.
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:07 am to
Merica! frick no
Posted by JEAUXBLEAUX
Bayonne, NJ
Member since May 2006
55358 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:08 am to
Give it all back to the native Americans.
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:11 am to
Give Israel back to the Palestinians
Posted by Luke
1113 Chartres Street, NOLA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:14 am to
actually the Israelis kicked everyones arse in the area and took the land.... kinda like the ol USA f'd over the native americans...
Posted by JEAUXBLEAUX
Bayonne, NJ
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55358 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:19 am to
Is it federal land? Kick his arse off unless he pays up
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:28 am to
quote:

Give it all back to the native Americans.


You ready to carry your arse out of New Jersey?

Because I'm pretty certain there were Indians there, too.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:34 am to
quote:

native


Debatable JB.

quote:

The usual theory of the settlement of the Americas is that earliest ancestors of the peoples of the Americas came from Eurasia over a land bridge which connected the two continents across what is now the Bering Strait during a period of glaciation, when the sea water level was lower. The number and nature of these migrations is uncertain but the land bridge is believed to have existed only until about 12,000 years ago, when the land bridge was flooded.
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:37 am to
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Is it federal land?



If they say it is then it must be.
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:43 am to
quote:

Is it federal land?


read the OP, clown.
Posted by CITWTT
baton rouge
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:46 am to


With a title deed in his hands it is not federal lands you dumbass. Texas has gladly received property taxes from his family for decades and Oklahoma has never raised a peep about it and I think they still recognize the border between it and Texas as being valid in fact. This is another act of the BLM now led by Dirty Harrys little office bitch doing what Harry wants done by him.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79189 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:48 am to
A lot of people are really worked up over a totally unsubstantiated blog post.

I think I'll wait to see what happens. Taking thousands of acres without payment isn't exactly something that rings true, and I'm no fan of big government.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:51 am to
quote:

over a totally unsubstantiated blog post.


check out page 5 of the thread, there are more articles.....
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:53 am to
I see the Texas Monthly one, but I don't see anything about the 90000 acre plans.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:53 am to
This actually seems more of a dispute between two states and application of pretty standard accretion v. avulsion...pretty standard among states that accretion belongs to the owner of the bank that is accreting and the landowner losing land to erosion simply loses it while avulsion doesn't change ownership.

Simply if Henderson has a deed from TX for TX lands he can't own lands that are in OK. So once the border dispute is finalized between TX and OK then a portion of what he thought were his TX lands may be OK lands to which he does not have a deed. Then it appears that those lands in OK are owned or claimed by the BLM - fed lands. Henderson has no beef with the BLM if the land ends up in OK, they didn't take it from him...the resolution of the state border dispute will be the culprit.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:55 am to
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I see the Texas Monthly one, but I don't see anything about the 90000 acre plans.


I think the BLM is claiming ownership of any lands that are deemed to be in OK along a 116 mile stretch of the river so it's likely a portion of the Henderson ranch along the river which may be 90k....116 sq miles = just over 5MM acres.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 10:07 am to
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I think the BLM is claiming ownership of any lands that are deemed to be in OK along a 116 mile stretch of the river so it's likely a portion of the Henderson ranch along the river which may be 90k....116 sq miles = just over 5MM acres.



But Henderson has been paying property taxes on those lands to Texas. Had he not paid his property taxes on those lands, then Texas would have foreclosed (well, the county, actually, right?), and he would have lost his land. Either way, he appears to be losing his land. So, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, right?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 10:11 am to
If he paid taxes to TX for lands in OK then he may have a claim for return of those tax dollars from TX...it all comes down to TX and OK resolving the border dispute. He may keep his land if the resolution keeps all the AC he claims in TX...if it goes to OK he loses. Where the states agree to set the border may cause him to lose land, not the BLM.
Posted by PetreauxCat
TX
Member since May 2009
858 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 11:44 am to
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One of these days, in their overreaching landgrab, the feds are going to piss off the wrong rancher, and it won't end well for anyone.


I know a number of people on the RR that this will affect. All the local politicians and Rick Perry are supporting them. However, if the BLM tries to confiscate their land it will get real real ugly. One in particular has 107 acres the BLM is targeting which he has the deed to and pays taxes.
Posted by real
Dixieland
Member since Oct 2007
14027 posts
Posted on 4/16/14 at 12:00 pm to
Remember the Alamo! People if this can happen there,it can happen where you live also. Government can always come up with an excuse to take your home. Its got to end.
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