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re: Another " Am I being detained " cop video but this time officer loses his cool
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:41 am to brass2mouth
Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:41 am to brass2mouth
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The "legal nonsense" is what sets this country apart, and FTR I did my job effectively when I was a LEO, even when people recorded me and tried to get under my skin. Why? Because you're paid to be a professional.
I still don't believe you were ever an officer in this state as you didn't know the difference between an assault and a battery in a previous thread.
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 9:42 am to Clames
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Some of you dim bulbs just can't grasp the fact that he did nothing illegal. NOTHING
I think you'd have to be a pretty dim bulb yourself if you think the people you're arguing with don't realize that. I mean, they've only been saying it since the beginning of the thread.
The whole argument comes down to if you think someone that goes out looking to get harassed and provoke an officer should be able to claim they are harassed when they finally achieve their goal.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 10:06 am to LNCHBOX
Try reading this whole thread and you'll see those dim bulbs who don't realize that. Very simple since they are using pretty reasonable approximation of the English langusge when making those arguments. The argument is that the cop wasn't professional enough to just walk away. He had the documents he needed, could have ran anything, figured out the BS and sent the guy about his business with nothing to show for his efforts. But no, he had to be hardass and start making up laws and threaten arrest, which if he'd made good on those threats would have been a slam dunk legal case.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 10:09 am to Clames
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Try reading this whole thread and you'll see those dim bulbs who don't realize that
I have, and Apex, Dan, etc have all acknowledged the legality of the douchebag's actions.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 10:21 am to LNCHBOX
Not the only ones and some of those that acknowledge no law was broken would like a law put in place just for that reason.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 10:23 am to Clames
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Not the only ones and some of those that acknowledge no law was broken would like a law put in place just for that reason.
So you're obviously one of those people that think people should just be able to go out looking to provoke police officers for no reason other than to get a rise then post it to the internet. Surely these dipshits could find something more constructive to do with their time, no?
Posted on 4/16/14 at 10:36 am to Clames
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Not the only ones and some of those that acknowledge no law was broken would like a law put in place just for that reason.
I believe we have far too many laws so I am certainly not in favor of adding any new ones.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 10:40 am to DanTiger
I'm trying to figure out why a cop cares if you drive by and watch him do his work? I mean yes, once the cop pulled him over, he trolled the cop pretty hard. But, I don't see what the proximate cause of the cop pulling him over in the first place is other than not liking to be watched.
Well, I'm sorry Mr. Policeman if you're uncomfortable with a citizen watching you but only in some sort of alternative universe is his watching you "obstructing" you from performing your duties.
Well, I'm sorry Mr. Policeman if you're uncomfortable with a citizen watching you but only in some sort of alternative universe is his watching you "obstructing" you from performing your duties.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 10:42 am to ShortyRob
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But, I don't see what the proximate cause of the cop pulling him over in the first place is other than not liking to be watched.
You don't find anything suspicious about the same car circling you 5 times?
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Well, I'm sorry Mr. Policeman if you're uncomfortable with a citizen watching you but only in some sort of alternative universe is his watching you "obstructing" you from performing your duties.
Are you honestly telling me you wouldn't think anything was suspicious if a car drove past your house and the occupants watched you 5 times in a short period of time?
Posted on 4/16/14 at 10:46 am to ShortyRob
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I'm trying to figure out why a cop cares if you drive by and watch him do his work? I mean yes, once the cop pulled him over, he trolled the cop pretty hard. But, I don't see what the proximate cause of the cop pulling him over in the first place is other than not liking to be watched.
It is a safety issue. There have been several instance where officers were shot in drive by style shootings while on traffic stops. This is alos one of the reasons officer don't allow people to make phone calls while on traffic stops. I know many of you won't agree with this but if I have a gang banger pulled over he can easily call his compadres to drive by and pop me so that he can get away. Whether you all choose to believe these things or not they are very real and absolutely happen in the real world whether you read about them on the internet or not. Police work is not a safe job no matte rhow many times you claim that it is. I cannot tell you how many fights I have been in not to mention other more lethal encounters.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 10:53 am to Clames
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Some of you dim bulbs just can't grasp the fact that he did nothing illegal. NOTHING.
I'm guessing that some of these dim bulbs grasp that very well and are several steps ahead of you somewhere.
Let me explain it the way a helpful cop once explained it to me when I was informing this helpful cop of my legal rights. The helpful cop basically stated to me as follows:
"Son, this is the French Quarter, not a courtroom. I am a policeman not a judge. You may be exactly correct that I have no legal right to arrest you. But that is something for you to later argue to the Judge. I just need to know if you want to go to jail right now for obstruction or do you want to leave now."
I understood his correct interpretation of the situation and I moved along immediately.
Legal rights are a great thing to tell the judge about, but they don't help near as much when the cop is taking you to jail.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 1:50 pm to Monk
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Let me explain it the way a helpful cop once explained it to me when I was informing this helpful cop of my legal rights. The helpful cop basically stated to me as follows:
"Son, this is the French Quarter, not a courtroom. I am a policeman not a judge. You may be exactly correct that I have no legal right to arrest you. But that is something for you to later argue to the Judge. I just need to know if you want to go to jail right now for obstruction or do you want to leave now."
I understood his correct interpretation of the situation and I moved along immediately.
ah I love this!!!
You give the citizen an option...put situation in the court room in front of a judge versus playing games with Cops! LOL...for real, I love this
If they want to be difficult,"I don't have to answer that question" they can go to jail overnight and then spend their time and resources complaining about being unlawfully arrested before a judge. Good luck with that attitude!!! And in a court of law, a good judge is going to make him confess he was there to stir up feathers and record it.. thus he was essentially obstructing justice...
I have no issue with this because you give them an option.
Some are going to be upset with my position, but hey I believe in doing the right thing (cop asks you a simple question, you answer or comply with his wishes, "please stay back and do not follow us" ) versus holding up the bible (law) in their face. Tell it to the judge.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 2:49 pm to Nativebullet
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I wish the cop would have ripped that little punk from behind the wheel abused his power and broke multiple laws without concern of the rule of law nor consequences.
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 2:53 pm to LNCHBOX
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The whole argument comes down to if you think someone that goes out looking to get harassed and provoke an officer should be able to claim they are harassed when they finally achieve their goal.
Lets reframe the question. Do you think that a cop is justified in harassing someone that goes out looking to provoke a cop into harassing them?
Is the fact that you think the kid did this, justification for the cop's actions?
Isn't this like saying a rapist is excused from his actions because the girl that was raped was dressed in a way that indicated she was out trying to provoke a rape?
Posted on 4/16/14 at 2:54 pm to novabill
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Do you think that a cop is justified in harassing someone that goes out looking to provoke a cop into harassing them?
No. Let's ask another question. Had the douchebag not been out looking for trouble, does this entire event ever happen?
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Is the fact that you think the kid did this, justification for the cop's actions?
No one ever said that.
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Isn't this like saying a rapist is excused from his actions because the girl that was raped was dressed in a way that indicated she was out trying to provoke a rape?
This is nothing like that, and I'm pretty sure you know that.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:03 pm to LNCHBOX
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No. Let's ask another question. Had the douchebag not been out looking for trouble, does this entire event ever happen?
NO, but it does not happen if the cops acts professional as his partner did. agreed?
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s the fact that you think the kid did this, justification for the cop's actions?
So, is the cop justified, or is the cop wrong?
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This is nothing like that, and I'm pretty sure you know that.
It is not like it if you do not use this reasoning to justify the cop, but it is if you do.
The point is, we are each responsible for our own actions, we cannot blame someone else for our actions.
The cops actions were that the threatened to charge someone with a criminal offense that he did not believe was guilty of that offense, he also acted in a manner to intimidate and then threw the paper in the kids face, while on the surface is no big deal, until you ask the question what would happen if the kid that to the cop.
What the kid did may or may not have been wrong, however, I do not think we want to condone cops treating people this way that they disapprove of.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:07 pm to ApexTiger
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Let me explain it the way a helpful cop once explained it to me when I was informing this helpful cop of my legal rights. The helpful cop basically stated to me as follows:
"Son, this is the French Quarter, not a courtroom. I am a policeman not a judge. You may be exactly correct that I have no legal right to arrest you. But that is something for you to later argue to the Judge. I just need to know if you want to go to jail right now for obstruction or do you want to leave now."
I understood his correct interpretation of the situation and I moved along immediately.
ah I love this!!!
You give the citizen an option...put situation in the court room in front of a judge versus playing games with Cops! LOL...for real, I love this
I love it when cops arrest people that they know did not break the law and that the arrest will not hold up.
Cops that say "I know you have the legal right to do what you are doing and that I have no grounds to arrest you, but, if you do not stop doing it, I will take your liberty and put in a cage. Of course you will get out later and the charges will be dropped, but I will have stopped you from doing what I do not want you doing, and you would have to endure being arrested."
I just love cops that abuse their power. Awesome.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:14 pm to novabill
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NO, but it does not happen if the cops acts professional as his partner did. agreed?
Are we really going to keep going in circles about this? Like really?
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So, is the cop justified, or is the cop wrong?
Again, how many times are we going to ask this question? The cop is not justified, but I personally don't really have an issue with him treating the instigating douchebag like a douchebag. That's doesn't mean I think it's justified, it just means I think the kid got what he deserved.
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What the kid did may or may not have been wrong, however, I do not think we want to condone cops treating people this way that they disapprove of.
If people didn't take it upon themselves to go out and look for cops to try this with, perhaps it may not happen as often. Really crazy notion, huh?
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The cops actions were that the threatened to charge someone with a criminal offense that he did not believe was guilty of that offense, he also acted in a manner to intimidate and then threw the paper in the kids face, while on the surface is no big deal, until you ask the question what would happen if the kid that to the cop.
May or may not have been wrong?
And more circular questions. It's getting old. How about you go throw a piece of paper in a cop's face and see if you get arrested for it. If that's all you do, I bet you won't. quote:
It is not like it if you do not use this reasoning to justify the cop, but it is if you do.
No it's not. getting yelled at is nothing like being raped.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:23 pm to LNCHBOX
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The cop is not justified
Finally. You think the cop is wrong.
quote:But you have no issue with the cop acting badly because of the way the legal citizen was acting.
but I personally don't really have an issue with him treating the instigating douchebag like a douchebag
We just disagree. I do not support of condone cops behaving badly. The have the guns and the power to take my liberty. With that much power I hold them to a much higher standard than I do some pesky kid that has no power and is not breaking the law.
You do not.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:28 pm to novabill
Kid is a whiny little douche frick who was obviously just trying to bait the cop into a reaction, but he's not wrong.
Cop lost his cool and actually is in the wrong.
Other cop was voice of reason, and the only person in this video worth a shite.
Cop lost his cool and actually is in the wrong.
Other cop was voice of reason, and the only person in this video worth a shite.
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