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re: How did Hank Aaron hit so many homeruns being as small as he was?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:02 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:02 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Eh, what?
Said something along the lines that the KKK doesn't wear hoods anymore, but they traded them in for suits. (hinting at them being republicans/conservatives as he went on to say that Obama is trying to do great things but he has one foot stuck in the mud due to the "suits.")
IMO, that is pretty much him saying if you're against Obama, you're racist.
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:03 am to PrimeTime Money
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No, not just the bat. Plus, you'd have to be pretty strong (and most likely big) to get a heavy bat around quickly.
It's not a pre-requisite to be big to have power. However, most of your great HR hitters are bigger guys. Especially today with less PEDs. Your big power hitters today are all at least 215-250 lbs.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:05 am to Skillet
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If Hank & Willie played in today's baseball, they'd both be better then Miggy & Trout.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:13 am to Moustache
What?
They were as good if not better back then. Why would you think they'd not do as well or probably better in today's game?
They were as good if not better back then. Why would you think they'd not do as well or probably better in today's game?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:26 am to Skillet
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What?
They were as good if not better back then. Why would you think they'd not do as well or probably better in today's game?
What makes you think they could? First of all, velocity is WAAAAAAAY faster today than it was in their day. Secondly, bullpens are a lot better and more specialized to get outs. Thirdly, less PED usage today than in thsoe days. Amphetamines, greenies, etc. were rampant in Mays and Aaron's day. I just don't think they would be as good as Trout. I think Mays would be similar to Torii Hunter than Mike Trout. I think Aaron would be closer to a Beltran than Miggy Cabrera or Trout. Just my opinion.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:36 am to Moustache
Easier travel, smaller parks, worlds less racial barriers to deal with, plus Aaron & Mays were incredible baseball players. There were lots of great pitchers back in the day, and the speed of the pitches wouldn't bother them after seeing one pitch. HOF baseball players can adjust to speed. It'd only make their HR's go farther.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:39 am to Moustache
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Thirdly, less PED usage today than in thsoe days.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:45 am to Moustache
Hall of Fame hitters can hit speed & velocity.
The big thing for me is if those HOF'ers would've been able to hit the changeup that has been prominent since Pedro dominated. I have a feeling that they'd be able to hit them as well, since having a HOF batter's eye is an extremely unique advantage to have.
Some just get it...most don't.
The big thing for me is if those HOF'ers would've been able to hit the changeup that has been prominent since Pedro dominated. I have a feeling that they'd be able to hit them as well, since having a HOF batter's eye is an extremely unique advantage to have.
Some just get it...most don't.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 9:51 am
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:52 am to Stogie
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Hall of Fame hitters can hit speed & velocity.
The big thing for me is if those HOF'ers would've been able to hit the changeup that has been prominent since Pedro dominated. I have a feeling that they'd be able to hit them as well, since having a HOF batter's eye is an extremely unique advantage to have.
Some just get it...most don't.
I know they can hit it, but can they hit the 96-99 mph Fastball vs. the changeup, and can they hit it at a Mike Trout/Miguel Cabrera level? I seriously doubt it. Just my opinion though.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:52 am to Moustache
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Said something along the lines that the KKK doesn't wear hoods anymore, but they traded them in for suits. (hinting at them being republicans/conservatives as he went on to say that Obama is trying to do great things but he has one foot stuck in the mud due to the "suits.")
I have seen some really stupid post on TD but this just has really taken the cake. You don't think Aaron may be holding some resentment especially against people who discriminate or who are racist?
It's not Hank hasn't spit on, yelled insults at, couldn't be with his teammates on his way through the minor leagues or received hate mail & death threats while chasing one of the greatest sport records in America? Are you really this shallow to not realize this? Even still, Hank has handled what he went through over the years with the utmost class & now that he says a few sentences in his old age to vent, he's a racist.
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IMO, that is pretty much him saying if you're against Obama, you're racist.
You are wrong & this is not what he meant. He meant that Obama came into a situation doomed to fail because of the failures of the past regime before him. His comments had nothing to do with saying people who don't like Obama are racist. His comments about the KKK not wearing hoods but suits & ties was a shot at corporate America.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:56 am to Stogie
Did someone in this board just make the case that Trout and Miggy are better baseball players than two HOF players who are probably considered to be in the Top-10 of all time players??
Did that really just happen?
Did that really just happen?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:57 am to BigBrod81
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His comments about the KKK not wearing hoods but suits & ties was a shot at corporate America.
yeah, because it's corporate america that's holding the blacks back.
Who the hell thinks the KKK runs corporate America? His bullshite statement was directly at conservatives/Republicans. He basically called the republican party the KKK IMO.
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You don't think Aaron may be holding some resentment especially against people who discriminate or who are racist?
Sure, but those people are not around him anymore. He gets no more hate. I guess he can choose to continue being bitter about it, but it's probably best to let it go and be happy. Just my opinion. But it's made him racist himself. He needs to stop acting like only whites are racist. Blacks are just as, if not more racist than anyone else.
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now that he says a few sentences in his old age to vent, he's a racist.
Well, if you read into his statements. Or you could choose to just ignore them and pretend he didn't show his arse a little bit there.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 10:00 am
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:59 am to AZTiger7072
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Did someone in this board just make the case that Trout and Miggy are better baseball players than two HOF players who are probably considered to be in the Top-10 of all time players??
Did that really just happen?
It's funny how the greatest all batted .360 and .341 consistently back in the day, yet nobody has consistently hit those numbers in the modern era. I'm just saying, it's my opinion that those two would not have been as good today as they were then. That's not to say they weren't HOF players.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:00 am to Moustache
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I know they can hit it, but can they hit the 96-99 mph Fastball vs. the changeup, and can they hit it at a Mike Trout/Miguel Cabrera level? I seriously doubt it. Just my opinion though.
What makes you say that? baseball is a game of adjustments...I think they'd do just fine.
They'd be spitting chaw at curves and changeups before it even hit the catcher's mitt, just like the Miggys and Trouts of today.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:11 am to Stogie
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What makes you say that? baseball is a game of adjustments...I think they'd do just fine.
First of all, just based on pure population of the people who play baseball and how often they play it to specialize that skill is unmatched today. You have kids playing year-round today to perfect it. You have big time $ being spent to develop it at the youth levels than ever before. And just by having more population, you're more likely to have more talented ball players.
You don't know for sure. Maybe, maybe not. It's my opinion they wouldn't.
Mays had a career BA of .302. Aaron .305 and that was against pitchers who didn't throw near as hard. It was against 1 or 2 relievers. Today, there are ground ball specialists, lefty specialists, power bullpen guys. Just about every bullpen guy brings 94+ today. Then, not so much.
Trout and miggy's career BA is .314 and .320, respectively. Granted, they're not finished and it's waaaaaay too soon to tell on Trout, I just don't think they would've hit at these levels. HRs, maybe, BA no. The bigger parks allowed for a lot more hits.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:20 am to Moustache
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First of all, just based on pure population of the people who play baseball and how often they play it to specialize that skill is unmatched today. You have kids playing year-round today to perfect it. You have big time $ being spent to develop it at the youth levels than ever before. And just by having more population, you're more likely to have more talented ball players.
If you give Willie friggin Mays, and Hank friggin Aaron the opportunity to play in today's league, with the above facilities, technology, advanced scouting, metrics, etc., I think they would've been even BETTER than their career stats.
I can't even imagine what the career stats would be for someone like a Ted Williams or Willie Mays with that kind of advantage.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:29 am to Stogie
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If you give Willie friggin Mays, and Hank friggin Aaron the opportunity to play in today's league, with the above facilities, technology, advanced scouting, metrics, etc., I think they would've been even BETTER than their career stats.
Why? The competition is better. Maybe it levels out? I don't know and neither does anyone else. It's just my opinion they would be slightly worse today. I mean, why are the top hitters from the 2000s-2010s not hitting .340 and .388 every single year like the days from Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Gehrig, Williams, etc. Hell, a .319 average puts you in the running today for a batting crown today. Not back then. Is it because players today are worse? I highly doubt that being as more people are playing today than ever and they're playing year 'round. It's because the competition and pitching skills are MUCH better. Mays and Aaron never faced a guy like Kershaw who could bring it 95+ with the best curve in the game. Or a guy like Pedro who can pull the string with the best of them and then whiz a 98 mph right by you. Or a Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, David Price, etc. etc. Not to mention, when those guys tire, they don't just leave them in like they used to. They take them out and replace them with another fireballer like Kimbrel or Aroldis Chapman. Oh, a lefty. We'll just bring in a lefty specialist who can bring it 93+ to pitch to one batter. and on and on.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 10:31 am
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:33 am to Moustache
He and other black people have expressed similar things prior to Obama. And he's right. Racists aren't as obvious as the KKK was back in the day, and many of them do, in fact, wear suits.
Pointing out evil does not make one evil.
Pointing out evil does not make one evil.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:38 am to Moustache
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yeah, because it's corporate america that's holding the blacks back.
I never said that & that's not what Aaron meant. He said nothing in his entire interview that hinted that corporate America was holding blacks back. All he said that is it's easier for a racist to hide & look like successful members of society all the while having their bias & sterotypes.
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Who the hell thinks the KKK runs corporate America?
Omg, really dude? He never said ANYTHING about the KKK running America. He just used them as an example because they are know as the biggest racist group in America.
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Sure, but those people are not around him anymore. He gets no more hate. I guess he can choose to continue being bitter about it, but it's probably best to let it go and be happy
It's so easy to talk the talk without having to live a day in this man's shoe & having gone through what Aaron did. You don't have a clue about the effect the mental fatigue his chase for Ruth's record & the chaos surrounding the chase had on Aaron. You didn't live it but I guess that makes it easier for you as an outsider to say get over it.
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He needs to stop acting like only whites are racist. Blacks are just as, if not more racist than anyone else.
There are racist on both sides of the fence. That wasn't where the interview went so there was no need to address black racist at that point. The interview wasn't done to please you or what you wanted to hear. Aaron addressed things he went through & how they appear now.
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show his arse a little bit there.
The bigger problem nowadays is that any black person especially an athlete or celebrity mentions any thing involved around race relations then they immediately labeled as a racist or race baiter. It seems like the eyes of some whites that since the civil rights movement occurred, believe that it did away with any & all differences between the races which is simply not true. Things have gotten light years better but there is still a ways to go & both sides can get better at handling certain situations.
I guess the blacks & whites who fought & stood side by side for equally were the greatest racist & race baiters this country ever saw right?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:38 am to Sophandros
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He and other black people have expressed similar things prior to Obama. And he's right. Racists aren't as obvious as the KKK was back in the day, and many of them do, in fact, wear suits.
This is true, as there are still racists today and there always will be. However, I don't believe blacks face any more racism today than do whites, hispanics, or asians. In fact, people go out of there way to ensure "fairness" to black through giving out academic scholarships and even hiring them for jobs, though other non-blacks may be more qualified. From the context of his statements, especially when he brought up Obama, it contained some hate in it IMO. For him to blatantly call anyone who is against Obama as racist, that inherently makes Aaron just as evil/racist as the KKK members he hates. I'd bet my life savings that Aaron couldn't name 3 things he likes about Obama's policy. If Obama was hispanic, would he have brought him up?
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 10:41 am
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