Bush(1st) Underperformed for 2nd pick in draft
Harper(2nd) Average player
Meachem(1st) Underperformed for 1st round pick
Ellis(1st) A disaster.
Porter(2nd) Worth the pick.
Jenkins(1st) Average at best and not worth a 1st
Robinson(1st) Average at best and not worth a 1st
Graham(3rd) A gamble that paid off big
Jordan(1st) Solid pick
Ingram(1st) Average player at best; not worth a 1st and 2nd
Hicks(3rd) Nice player
Vaccaro(1st) Looks like a solid pick
Armstead(3rd) Looks like a solid pick
Jenkins(3rd) Looks solid

It's not a "myth". Your list proves the point. There are more solid players picked in the 3rd than 1st and 2nd. If you go further down the food chain, you'll see that the team under Payton has as many contributors from the 5-7th (and UFAs) as 1 & 2.

2006 7th Zach Strief
2006 7th Marques Colston

2008 5th Carl Nicks

2009 5th Thomas Morsted

2012 5th Corey White

2013 5th Kenny Stills
2013 6th Rufus Johnson

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I also want to dispel the myth we always hit on late round Olinemen.

Who the hell said this? Point that out for me.

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Posted by bonethug0108

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Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:45 am to adono

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Your list proves the point. There are more solid players picked in the 3rd than 1st and 2nd

That's if you call the 3rd round late, which it isn't. Not sure why people think this.

Also, like I said(and you pointed out) we've only had 3 of our 8 2nd rounders. So adding that together with the 1st round that's 11 out of 16 picks.

Out of those 11, Brown was the only one we missed on(and he still started 22 games).

We've had 8 3rd rounders and missed on 4 of them.

We've had 6 4th rounders and missed on at least 3(jury still out on Toon).

We've had 8 5th rounders and missed on 4(though Ninkovich went on to star for the Pats).

We've had 5 6th rounders and missed on 4(jury still out on R. Johnson).

We've had 8 7th rounders and missed on 5(jury still out on M. Jones).

With 3rd round included that's 20 out of 35(with 3 pending) that we missed on. Or we missed on at least 57%, and as high as 66%.

Take out the 3rd round and we missed 16 of our 27(with 3 pending) late round picks, or 59% and as high as 70%.

Compare that to the 1 of 11, or 9%, missed in the 1st or 2nd(and that one miss still started 22 games) and you can see the myth take shape.

Yes we've hit in the later rounds, but we've had more opportunities to do so(12 1-2 round picks to 35 3-7 or 27 4-7 round picks).

Like I said, quality can be argued, but I don't care about the talent to pick level comparison because that is way beside the point here. Bush played a big role, as did Harper, Meachem, Ellis(for at least 2 years he did well; and trust me I hate him for 2011-12), Jenkins, Robinson, and Ingram. Hell even Brown played a big role though he was poor at it.

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the team under Payton has as many contributors

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2013 6th Rufus Johnson

Not saying he's a bust, but he did not contribute. Jury is out on him.

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2008 5th Carl Nicks

1st round talent.

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2009 5th Thomas Morstead

Punter so of course he's going to be late round.

So you pointed out 4 guys that are actual contributors that had late round grades at full time positions, only 2 so far which are absolutely gems, 1 who is still questionable, and 1 who has a ton of potential. Even adding in Nicks and Morstead, that's still 6 compared to 10 or 11.