re: Sick of Obama telling everyone how great LBJ was

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BlackHelicopterPilot, I've always been skeptical of stuff I've read or heard second hand as opposed to stuff I've heard with my own ears, so if you want get a true measure of LBJ's motivations, you should spend time listening to some of the declassified audio recordings at millercenter.org. Listen to his conversations with the hardcore segregationists like George Wallace, James Eastland and Richard Russell, the civil rights leaders like MLK and Whitney Young and, various members of Congress and cabinet members like Everett Dirksen, Clark Clifford, Robert McNamara and J Edgar Hoover. Then listen to JFK having conversations with these same people under similar circumstances. One day, I played some of these recordings for my parents and an uncle and they were shocked at what they were hearing because it was obvious that on the issue of civil rights, LBJ was a lot more altruistic than JFK, who was a lot more duplicitous than they had imagined, which totally contradicted the prevailing narrative that had been adopted in much of the Black community ever since the 1960's.

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Listen to him tell Richard Russell what he thought about the war. Every man that served in Nam should be given travel to LBJ's grave to piss directly on it.

In 64 he knew it was not good.

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Now this bastard did not believe in the war but went on to draft hundreds of thousands to escalate the war. In 68 over a half a million Americans were there.

One latter recording is of him and McNammarra discussing a bombing to coincident with the dinner time hours so he could announce it during the prime time news.

Latter, in 68, he tells Rusk he will not be the first president to lose a war.