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re: 4-4-2 diamond use and Beckerdreads as an offensive sub
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:21 am to cwil177
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:21 am to cwil177
I don't really care how it plays out. I think we need two things:
1. Someone to sit in front of the back four (this is the only thing that Beckerman can do)
2. A three man midfield that doesn't involve any expectation of Clint Dempsey contributing, because we know what his contribution is going to be. He's not going to do anything defensively, which is fine, and he's going to drop deep into midfield to pick up the ball a a few times: turning a couple of times and finding a fullback with the others.
I don't really care if you want to line them up in a 4-2-3-1, classic 4-3-3, or a 4-5-1. I'm pretty indifferent.
1. Someone to sit in front of the back four (this is the only thing that Beckerman can do)
2. A three man midfield that doesn't involve any expectation of Clint Dempsey contributing, because we know what his contribution is going to be. He's not going to do anything defensively, which is fine, and he's going to drop deep into midfield to pick up the ball a a few times: turning a couple of times and finding a fullback with the others.
I don't really care if you want to line them up in a 4-2-3-1, classic 4-3-3, or a 4-5-1. I'm pretty indifferent.
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:23 am to joey barton
in reality, it'd likely very much play out a very deep 4-1-4-1 or 4-5-1 because we'll have to pack the midfield and bring help on CR7 every time he gets the ball.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:24 am to Tigerstark
Beckerman is much better as a holding mid, sweeper role IMO.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:32 am to Friend of OBUDan
Yeah, Ronaldo isn't really that hard to "gameplan" for, though it's harder for Portugal because he has carte blanche to move across the front line. You just sit deep to deny him space and make sure you close him down/get people b/w the goal and him, so that he doesn't take 25 shots from 30 yds out. He doesn't spend a lot of time trying to get to the end line anymore, even if there are reasons for that.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:07 pm to Tigerstark
If we could find a RB, could we not play Cameron and Jones as the DM and Bradley as the CAM. Then you could play 3 of Dempsey, Donovan, Zusi, Altidore, Johansson, Wondo, etc. in the other 3 attacking spots.
Right now its probably Dempsey, Zusi in the wide players. I still cant figure out who I want at striker.
Right now its probably Dempsey, Zusi in the wide players. I still cant figure out who I want at striker.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:17 pm to HottyToddy7
You could conceivably play a 4-2-3-1 with Bradley as the furthest most midfielder with Beckerman and Jones behind him. Move Dempsey wide left, Zusi wide right, with Altidore up top. It's not ideal, and it's a way of jamming your best players on the field.
I still think that it will be the Jones-Bradley partnership in the first game. Bradley is a better deep-lying player than Beckerman anyway, though Beckerman is superb at positioning, completing triangles, and recycling possession. Jones is a wildman, and hasn't seemed to calm down despite his advanced age.
I'd love for us to be able to play a 4-3-3, but that leaves a good 30 yards between the fullbacks and the wingers, who aren't likely to track back very much anyway. I don't think we could do it with our current personal.
I still think that it will be the Jones-Bradley partnership in the first game. Bradley is a better deep-lying player than Beckerman anyway, though Beckerman is superb at positioning, completing triangles, and recycling possession. Jones is a wildman, and hasn't seemed to calm down despite his advanced age.
I'd love for us to be able to play a 4-3-3, but that leaves a good 30 yards between the fullbacks and the wingers, who aren't likely to track back very much anyway. I don't think we could do it with our current personal.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:32 pm to crazy4lsu
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Move Dempsey wide left, Zusi wide right, with Altidore up top.
Dempsey on the wings simply won't work anymore, because he will not track back.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:32 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:
I'd love for us to be able to play a 4-3-3, but that leaves a good 30 yards between the fullbacks and the wingers, who aren't likely to track back very much anyway. I don't think we could do it with our current personal.
Could this work?
Cameron - Gonzales - Besler - F Johnson
Bradley - Beckerman - Jones
Zusi - Dempsey/Altidore - Dempsey/Johannson
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:42 pm to uway
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4-4-2 diamond and use Beckerdreads as the waterboy
FIFY
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:45 pm to HottyToddy7
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If we could find a RB
We have one. His name is Geoff Cameron, and anyone who thinks he should be played anywhere but right fullback should stop posting on this board to save us the possibility of you inflicting any more idiocy on us.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:12 pm to TN Bhoy
Cameron's position is a legitimate discussion, given our struggles at CB and even that defensive midfield spot, and would be even more so if we had better cover at RB. FJ has been playing RB for his club as of late.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:13 pm to cwil177
I would put big $$$s on Cameron playing some CB leading up to, and possibly at the WC.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:17 pm to TN Bhoy
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We have one. His name is Geoff Cameron, and anyone who thinks he should be played anywhere but right fullback should stop posting on this board to save us the possibility of you inflicting any more idiocy on us.
Do you not know what "if we could find a RB" means a-hole?
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:19 pm to cwil177
My one issue with the diamond is that Mexico, even in the first half during the few times they had the ball, had A LOT of space to work with. Maybe that was because Beckerman was basically aligned with the backline, but it was still worrisome.
During those situations, I was having mental images of Germany's midfield using that space to push the ball down our throats.
As for Cameron's position: We are forgetting that he has looked pretty bad in his games at CB for the USMNT.
During those situations, I was having mental images of Germany's midfield using that space to push the ball down our throats.
As for Cameron's position: We are forgetting that he has looked pretty bad in his games at CB for the USMNT.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:42 pm to Broski
Fabian Johnson would like a word about being our best fullback.
I'd much rather Cameron at centerback than relying on Omar at this point.
I'd much rather Cameron at centerback than relying on Omar at this point.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:42 pm to Broski
All of our success last year was with the 4-2-3-1. I understand Jurgy's desire to experiment right now, but ultimately that formation still fits our personnel better. Also, the deep midfield pair should always be Bradley (or Mix as backup) and Jones/Beckerman/whoever. Whenever we started Jones and Beckerman together last year, it was a disaster.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:48 pm to thenry712
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Fabian Johnson would like a word about being our best fullback.
I'd much rather Cameron at centerback than relying on Omar at this point.
Where did I say Fab wasn't our best fullback? There's no doubt that he is.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:54 pm to Broski
Replying to another poster on mobile sorry 
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:04 pm to Broski
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Where did I say Fab wasn't our best fullback? There's no doubt that he is.
Cameron has started 31 games in the PL at RB this year with 2 goals and an assist.
He has looked good every time I've seen him play. he has made an impact at RB, CB, and DM for the USA in the last year.
If FJ is "no doubt" a better player than he is, that's awesome.
Then again, will Jurgen even play him at fullback?
I wouldn't want him taking Cameron's spot at RB unless it meant Cameron was needed in the center of the pitch.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:45 pm to Broski
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As for Cameron's position: We are forgetting that he has looked pretty bad in his games at CB for the USMNT.
Yeah, he was terrible in that one time we've ever won on Mexican soil.
Oh wait no never mind he shut down the Mexicans at Azteca and you actually have no idea what you're talking about.
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