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I'm also realizing just how God awful Malcolm Jenkins is. God, how did we mask that terribleness?


Makes you appreciate the job Ryan and GW did (that one or two years anyway). Spags was pretty bad. But those guys were up against it. That said, I really think our D is going to be special this year.






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It's hard to analyze these videos because I've got my Saints goggles on. But those Hicks and Vaccaro highlights were nothing short of boner inducing.

I'm not sold on the fact that the Saints will settle with Vaccaro and Byrd at the starting safety spots. I think the Saints HAVE to have Vacarro roaming the field in his hybrid role, so that leaves an opening for a true safety. Is that Bush? I think he can hold his own, and it might have to be Bush given our money crunch.

DB's need an upgrade in the draft. We'll see.






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I'm also realizing just how God awful Malcolm Jenkins is. God, how did we mask that terribleness?


Safety play is hard to judge on TV, a lot of the times you don't even see them on screen. One thing I will say one thing that stuck out to me with Jenkins was those crucial 1-3 seconds before he tackles; that small window where a player has to visualize, adjust, and execute. It seems to me has problems in visualizing a player's angle and adjusting to it. This also seems to apply to him in coverage; especially when he is playing deep zone and has to adjust to the carrier. He never seems to be in position, which makes me think he just doesn't have the instincts for football at a high level.

Think about it, he's never been great at coming up with INTs. A lot of that has to do with being able to read a QB - he was always playing 3 steps behind the QB, and 2 steps behind the ball carrier.



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I think the Saints HAVE to have Vacarro roaming the field in his hybrid role


Totally agree.

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DB's need an upgrade in the draft.


Totally agree again. There's NO WAY we don't draft another DB....maybe even 2. I think even with Byrd, RR is going to have all of those guys all over the place at times.






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My problems with Jenkins were these:

1. He would be all over a receiver and somehow the guy would make the catch over, above, around or through him. He had zero ball skills.

2. His tackling had to be among the poorest in "starting" caliber NFL safeties. The prime example is the whiff he made on Cam Newton in the Panthers loss last season.

I will never forget him for his hustle plays, though. Like the one on Mike Williams against Dallas that pretty much saved the game.






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Again, that's the frustrating thing about him. He'd make a play that left you all pumped up, then he'd do shite to make you scratch your head. He was a cock tease.





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From Payton's presser this morning.

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#Saint HC Sean Payton said S Kenny Vaccarro played in a lot of spots last year. That focus will be narrow for him this year.


I think it might have been the case last year because our safeties had so many limitations. This year won't be the case.

Actually I'm seeing another tweet where he said he was moved around a lot due to Harper's injury.



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I won't second guess Coach on anything. But what I saw out of Vaccaro last year was flat out awesome. I'd hate to see it change.





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Just my humble opinion, but I disagree. It's Ryan's thing as a DC to move people around and give a shite ton of different looks. Conventional D is not necessarily his thing.





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Maybe Bush will be playing that hybrid role with Kenny playing a more true safety. Which could be good thing with the concussions. Think Bush would thrive in that position which Kenny played last year.





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He had zero ball skills. He would be all over a receiver and somehow the guy would make the catch over, above, around or through him.
I'm not sure how often the Saints ran single-high safety with Vaccaro or Bush, and to me those types of scenarios were somewhat scarce. From what I noticed about times where receivers ran through his zone he very rarely seemed to be anywhere in the zip code of the receiver when he catches the ball. Again, Jenkins just always seemed to be playing from behind.



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I just don't see Ryan abandoning using Vaccaro how he did last year. Ryan also doesn't run base defense that often, either. So the personnel has to be flexible.





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Just my humble opinion, but I disagree. It's Ryan's thing as a DC to move people around and give a shite ton of different looks. Conventional D is not necessarily his thing.



I think he was really creative last year because a) it was his first year and he didn't have all the pieces he needed and b) injury.

I don't think he'll be any less creative, but as the defense fills out, I think you'll see more defined roles.

Bryd is GOING to play a ton of single high safety, and it's going to allow us to do a lot of pressure looks. That's the reason we're paying him the money we're paying him.

Last year we opted for more coverage. It led to a lot of sacks and kept the yardage down, but this year there will be an emphasis on turnovers.






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this year there will be an emphasis on turnovers.


I certainly hope so. I loved all the people saying TO's weren't that big a deal with the defense, but till I was blue in the face I said that if you keep putting the offense in a position to drive the entire field on every possession, you're going to have a bad time, even if it's our offense.






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I just don't see Ryan abandoning using Vaccaro how he did last year. Ryan also doesn't run base defense that often, either. So the personnel has to be flexible.



I think he played something like 7 different positions last year? I think he'll be moved around, and he'll be mostly around the line of scrimmage.






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Bryd is GOING to play a ton of single high safety, and it's going to allow us to do a lot of pressure looks. That's the reason we're paying him the money we're paying him.

Last year we opted for more coverage. It led to a lot of sacks and kept the yardage down, but this year there will be an emphasis on turnovers.


Exactly. Jenkins wasn't that guy, pure and simple. Which boggles my mind on why the Iggles paid him what they paid him. I think Vaccaro will float between the traditional SS role and and nickel corner. If they get a decent WLB and maybe a MLB with some coverage skills, they can focus both Vaccaro and Byrd on turnovers more. We have the personnel on the line to do an effective 3-man rush. What we lack is a dynamic LB that can effectively rush the ball AND play coverage.



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I think there's some accuracy in all of our thoughts. That said, how awesome is it that we can even have this discussion? The fact that we have personnel where we can do what the frick we want.





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But how do you "emphasize" turnovers? I think turnovers are a direct result of pressure and and some times luck. Fumbles are luck. Interceptions are due to pressure. And sometimes a tipped ball. But I don't see how a defense can "emphasize" turnovers.





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Exactly. Jenkins wasn't that guy, pure and simple. Which boggles my mind on why the Iggles paid him what they paid him.



I was talking to my close friend who's an Eagles fan, giving him the low down. He wasn't happy, because it was essentially a description of their long running safety problems. They play predominantly zone coverage as well. Ouch.







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Patrick O Rly
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But how do you "emphasize" turnovers? I think turnovers are a direct result of pressure and and some times luck. Fumbles are luck. Interceptions are due to pressure. And sometimes a tipped ball. But I don't see how a defense can "emphasize" turnovers.



Some of it is luck. We have the personnel to put pressure. We just didn't have a lot of players with ball skills, and we didn't have someone that could man the back end all by themselves. When you have that, it allows the other 10 players to be more aggressive.






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