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re: How corporate lobbyists use the internet to destroy democracy
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:49 am to SettleDown
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:49 am to SettleDown
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This is silly. One side's propaganda is another side's information.
That right there is what taking about and about 85% of the issue. That's the stage we've reached in this country
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
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That's the stage we've reached in this country
because information is so plentiful
it says nothing about the "political climate" or "electorate". it just shows that information is readily accessible today
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:53 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Good grief. Only a true believer would think less access to speech and information increases freedom and democracy.
That right there is what taking about and about 85% of the issue. That's the stage we've reached in this country
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:54 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:What are you talking about? I'd say the fact that the internet has greatly expanded the ability of people to get their ideas in front of other people is a HUGE positive. Do I like all the ideas out there? Nope.f
That right there is what taking about and about 85% of the issue. That's the stage we've reached in this country
But damn. I'll take that over some tool to restrict it, that's for sure. And, even absent a tool, in 1980, the typical American had access to info via his local newspaper, and 3 networks and basically nothing else.
Now, that same American in half an hour can access 20 sources of info on any given subject. How the frick is that even remotely a bad thing?
And, before you tell me how stupid Americans are swayed by bad info, I would like to point out that then, we are talking about a DIFFERENT problem. IE, stupidity. But, even then.
What if a stupid American in 1980 had a bull shite local newspaper and all three networks...........oh........wait. THAT is why the left is upset. They used to pretty much dominate ALL sources of info. Opps. Not so much any more. And, they're whining.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:56 am to SettleDown
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What are you talking about? I'd say the fact that the internet has greatly expanded the ability of people to get their ideas in front of other people is a HUGE positive.
you have to go back to my paradigm
corporations are seen as bad, so their ideas are bad. allowing them to push their ideas, therefore, is also bad
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:57 am to Taxing Authority
quote:I know. And it's funny really because even while I would argue that in bygone days, the networks were all in the bag for the left, it would also be fair to say that they weren't FAR left.
Good grief. Only a true believer would think less access to speech and information increases freedom and democracy.
NOW, the far lefties can get their shite out too!! The spectrum of ideas has expanded exponentially out there. Sure, a lot of it is half baked but, who are we going to assign the task of weeding that out?
Me? A lot of folks wouldn't like that
Rex? Same problem.
Sorry. I like more speech over less speech. I'm just a fan of freedom that way.
DS seems to have outed who he really is in this thread.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:57 am to SettleDown
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What are you talking about?
That propaganda is considered legit information. It's an almost 3rd world mentality except instead of one central propaganda machine we have two. Other industrialized countries are not nearly as bad about is we are. They still have information based news as opposed to point of view based news . It's really hurting the country.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:58 am to Draconian Sanctions
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destroy democracy
Support.
It's a scourge on free societies.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:58 am to Draconian Sanctions
The left hates lobbyists. That is why Baraaq Obama promised that lobbyists would have no place in his administration. The left ate that shite up. He knew it would resonate with the dimocratix.
Cast bait.
Set hook.
Reel 'em in.
Cast bait.
Set hook.
Reel 'em in.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 9:59 am to Sentrius
Bottom line in this thread seems simple. Yet again, a lefty is anti freedom. We've been saying for a long time that the leftist's idea of "diversity of thought" and "tolerance" is everyone gets to discuss all of the LEFT'S ideas!! I mean, ALL of them. THAT'S tolerant aint it? 
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:00 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Really man? I mean really? Are you THAT in the bag that you don't understand that the term "propaganda" can really be redefined to say, "information supporting ideas I don't like"? Good grief.
That propaganda is considered legit information.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:02 am to Draconian Sanctions
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That propaganda is considered legit information. It's an almost 3rd world mentality except instead of one central propaganda machine we have two.
are you seriously suggesting there are only two sources of information in a nation where 98% of the population has access to the internet? quote:Link?
Other industrialized countries are not nearly as bad about is we are.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:06 am to Sentrius
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It's a scourge on free societies.
Not only that, but history is literally full of failed democracies that live extremely short lives and throughout their existence, they are nothing more than tyranny of the majority running roughshod all over the minority.
Thank god we live in a republic.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:14 am to Poodlebrain
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Why should businesses be prevented from seeking to advance their causes just like any other person, or group of persons? The author dislikes the fact that his opponents are adopting the same tactics as his side uses.
Seems correct. He writes this:
quote:
BP, for example, was found to have been manipulating Google in the wake of the disastrous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico—the company appears to have been attempting to get its message (“Learn more about how BP is helping”) at the top of Google searches relating to the spill. NGOs and affected communities without the resources of the oil giant were therefore blocked from getting their message (“Look how badly BP has fricked us”) across.
But I seriously doubt he was upset in 2004 when certain Democrat special interest groups paid Google to make a George W. Bush smear page the second link on the search.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:14 am to SettleDown
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that you don't understand that the term "propaganda" can really be redefined to say, "information supporting ideas I don't like"?
you and I have different ideas about what propaganda is
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:32 am to Antonio Moss
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But I seriously doubt he was upset in 2004 when certain Democrat special interest groups paid Google to make a George W. Bush smear page the second link on the search
That was shitty and I will be the first to admit that.
Speaking of 2004, how did you feel about the swift boat smearing?
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
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That was shitty and I will be the first to admit that.
Well that's the point. The author only has a problem with this tactic when its in support of something he opposes (presumably.)
It makes him a raging hypocrite and loses all credibility with me.
quote:
Speaking of 2004, how did you feel about the swift boat smearing?
I was okay with the actual veterans who served with Kerry speaking out against him. I think that's fair game because it was their personal experience.
This post was edited on 3/25/14 at 10:58 am
Posted on 3/25/14 at 11:31 am to Taxing Authority
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Other industrialized countries are not nearly as bad about is we are.
Link?
I mean WTF is he talking about? Does he actually believe that in other western nations, the internet is NOT full of people taking ALL sides of issues and trying to persuade people in any fashion possible?
Good fricking lord. What rock does that dude live under?
Posted on 3/25/14 at 11:32 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:No. Actually, we don't. Try this test. Go find me a bunch of "propaganda" that supports views YOU support? Get back to me on it.
you and I have different ideas about what propaganda is
Posted on 3/25/14 at 11:35 am to Antonio Moss
quote:EXACTLY!
I was okay with the actual veterans who served with Kerry speaking out against him. I think that's fair game because it was their personal experience.
It isn't as if there was no rebuttal to their claims.
Given a choice between an environment where anyone can speak and one where only "acceptable" people can speak, I'm taking the former. Glad to see DS is on the other side of that.
Hell. I'm still amused that he thinks other nations don't have this issue!!
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