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re: Saints Talk Draft Project: The Dirty Dozen for #27
Posted on 3/30/14 at 3:51 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 3/30/14 at 3:51 pm to Lester Earl
You don't have to say anything about busts. This whole thing started with a couple of people saying we don't need to DRAFT a short WR like Cooks, but someone 6'2" or bigger in the DRAFT.
In the DRAFT you can pick busts. Just because one guy is taller than someone else doesn't mean he'll be a better player.
The other argument that PurpleDrank made was that you need tall WRs to beat Seattle and I simply pointed out how untrue that is.
Then I added the fact the Seattle just won the super bowl without even a 5'11" WR as one of their top 3, while Denver lost with 3 of their top 4 guys being 6'3" or taller, my point being that having tall guys doesn't guarantee you shite, just as having short guys doesn't keep you from winning it all. This is a team game.
I NEVER said Seattle had better receivers or that Denver's sucked. That is a false argument you are trying to manufacture.
You came in the middle of our discussion bringing stuff off point. Yes size helps just like speed helps just like good hands help just like route running helps just like shiftiness helps etc. etc. etc.
Size is not the most important factor and that is fact. And though you will try to twist this into something I'm not saying, your "fact" about tall receivers being drafted first was untrue last year. Yeah the guy was over hyped and that's why I'm saying talent outweighs size and speed.
Fact: overall talent will trump whatever perceived limitations a guy may have. Some of the best players have been "misfits" and some of the worst have been prototypes.
Yes it's more rare, but there's no guarantee Cooks can't be the next Steve Smith, and it's possible Moncrief will be the next Brandon Lafell.
There is no magic saying a 6' something WR is automatically better than all sub 6' WRs.
That is my point.
In the DRAFT you can pick busts. Just because one guy is taller than someone else doesn't mean he'll be a better player.
The other argument that PurpleDrank made was that you need tall WRs to beat Seattle and I simply pointed out how untrue that is.
Then I added the fact the Seattle just won the super bowl without even a 5'11" WR as one of their top 3, while Denver lost with 3 of their top 4 guys being 6'3" or taller, my point being that having tall guys doesn't guarantee you shite, just as having short guys doesn't keep you from winning it all. This is a team game.
I NEVER said Seattle had better receivers or that Denver's sucked. That is a false argument you are trying to manufacture.
You came in the middle of our discussion bringing stuff off point. Yes size helps just like speed helps just like good hands help just like route running helps just like shiftiness helps etc. etc. etc.
Size is not the most important factor and that is fact. And though you will try to twist this into something I'm not saying, your "fact" about tall receivers being drafted first was untrue last year. Yeah the guy was over hyped and that's why I'm saying talent outweighs size and speed.
Fact: overall talent will trump whatever perceived limitations a guy may have. Some of the best players have been "misfits" and some of the worst have been prototypes.
Yes it's more rare, but there's no guarantee Cooks can't be the next Steve Smith, and it's possible Moncrief will be the next Brandon Lafell.
There is no magic saying a 6' something WR is automatically better than all sub 6' WRs.
That is my point.
This post was edited on 3/30/14 at 3:53 pm
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Posted on 3/30/14 at 4:09 pm to bonethug0108
you're basically saying size matters, but it doesn't matter. Pick a side and stick to it.
i probably said what you are referring to, except that wasn't what I said.
I said we are just as likely to find a WR1 caliber player in RD2 than in Rd1. And that Cooks' size in the end may prevent him from being that. Not that he is a bad player, i really like him. But they have bigger WR's in Rd2 that actually have the measureables to be WR1.
Never fricking said that.
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This whole thing started with a couple of people saying we don't need to DRAFT a short WR like Cooks, but someone 6'2" or bigger in the DRAFT.
i probably said what you are referring to, except that wasn't what I said.
I said we are just as likely to find a WR1 caliber player in RD2 than in Rd1. And that Cooks' size in the end may prevent him from being that. Not that he is a bad player, i really like him. But they have bigger WR's in Rd2 that actually have the measureables to be WR1.
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There is no magic saying a 6' something WR is automatically better than all sub 6' WRs.
Never fricking said that.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 8:17 pm to bonethug0108
I know this debate has kind of run its course but just for the record I never said this
I said big and physical. Being tall doesn't mean shite if you're a shrimp and cant get position. Second I never said Cooks wouldn't be a good player I just said if there's a guy with similar skill sets but he's also 3 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier give me the bigger guy everyday and twice on Sundays, especially if I can get the other guy a round later.
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you need tall WRs to beat Seattle
I said big and physical. Being tall doesn't mean shite if you're a shrimp and cant get position. Second I never said Cooks wouldn't be a good player I just said if there's a guy with similar skill sets but he's also 3 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier give me the bigger guy everyday and twice on Sundays, especially if I can get the other guy a round later.
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