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At the same time you have to understand why Russia wouldn't take kindly to the US trying to subvert Ukrainian politics. We want to have those gas pipelines under western control, we want NATO in Ukraine, we want Ukraine to be owned by the western central banking hegemony. These things would be terrible for Russia. We must be imperialistic when it come to foreign policy, our economy is dependent on it.

So we have to ask Russia where we can help push forward democratic govts?

And how comne all of a sudden Russia is an economic giant that can dictate to us who our friends are?

We don't need NATO. All I said was what is wrong with promoting a democratic Ukraine? And if the only answer is that it might offend Russia than pardon me, I didn't think we gave Russia a veto over our foreign policy .

On second thought, maybe Obama did.

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Posted by 90proofprofessional

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Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:41 pm to doubleb

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what is wrong with promoting a democratic Ukraine?

because it "subverts Ukrainian politics"

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Posted by Sleeping Tiger

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Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:42 pm to doubleb

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So we have to ask Russia where we can help push forward democratic govts?

We have no real interest in creating democratic governments, we've removed democratically elected regimes in favor of dictators. We only care about installing regimes that will be our puppet, democracy is not what we care about.

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Posted by RCDfan1950

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Posted on 3/4/14 at 3:45 pm to doubleb

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On second thought, maybe Obama did.

Both Obama and John Kerry...truly believe that human nature is changed. I have long said that Obama is the biggest fool sucking air if he really believes he can collapse the economy per the Cloward-Piven strategy...and that this nation will just float right on into a happy "fundamental transformation". When we have a 200 year history of die for our economic freedom. Make no mistake...you money is your freedom. The folk - minus the low-info crowd, useful idiots and dupes - know exactly what is coming down.

Maybe he'll learn something from this throwdown with Putin. And get to work to get this economy back to work, instead of playing the envy/class division card. He'll rot in hell for what happens, if he don't.