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LSU is as good as or a BETTER option than Texas A&M for a top WR.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 2/8/14 at 1:43 pm
Lots of folks talk about how A&M is the place to be if you are a WR: "They toss the ball at A&M"; "It's a wide open offense." Those folks may be right if a WR plans to be the third or fourth best WR on the team. Those tosses are spread among a bunch of players. That wide open offense does not benefit the top WRs at A&M. More to the point, the top two WRs at A&M are not more productive than the top two WRS at LSU.
If a player is a top WR, if he is projected to be the #1 or #2 WR on the team, he is just as likely, or even more likely to be successful at LSU. Under CCC's system, LSU's top WRs were as successful as or more successful than the top WRs at Texas A&M. And that's with a Heisman winning QB at Texas A&M.
Thus, if you plan to be the fourth or fifth WR on a team, Texas A&M might compare favorably to LSU in terms of production. However, if you are a top WR, if you plant to be a high draft choice, LSU is the place to be. Texas A&M offers no advantages.
If a player is a top WR, if he is projected to be the #1 or #2 WR on the team, he is just as likely, or even more likely to be successful at LSU. Under CCC's system, LSU's top WRs were as successful as or more successful than the top WRs at Texas A&M. And that's with a Heisman winning QB at Texas A&M.
Thus, if you plan to be the fourth or fifth WR on a team, Texas A&M might compare favorably to LSU in terms of production. However, if you are a top WR, if you plant to be a high draft choice, LSU is the place to be. Texas A&M offers no advantages.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 1:44 pm to Salviati
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This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 2/8/14 at 1:46 pm to Salviati
LSU WRs run a complete route tree. They leave LSU very prepared for NFL life.
A&M WRs simply aren't prepared in the same way.
A&M WRs simply aren't prepared in the same way.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 1:46 pm to Salviati
Not to mention ATM sucks arse
Posted on 2/8/14 at 2:01 pm to Salviati
You are correct. LSU runs a pro style offense. WR's are expected to beat their guy, and get open as well as block their guy. They develop WR's and get them ready for the NFL. Many times under a scheme offense the top WR will have 6 catches for 120 yards and all he did was run down the field and was open. Play calling is more important than talent sometimes in these schemes.
But at A&M the top WR is more likely to have better stats and more production. Its a toss-up at this point, if A&M's receivers flop in the NFL then we will have a recruiting advantage, if not, they will.
But at A&M the top WR is more likely to have better stats and more production. Its a toss-up at this point, if A&M's receivers flop in the NFL then we will have a recruiting advantage, if not, they will.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 2/8/14 at 2:05 pm to Salviati
It amazes me how anyone, ANYONE, would want to go to a school that has yell practices
Posted on 2/8/14 at 2:09 pm to Salviati
Honestly, this thread does nothing but feed the TAMU fans.
It does us no good. I understand your thoughts, but it will just attract a lot of TAMU trolls.
It does us no good. I understand your thoughts, but it will just attract a lot of TAMU trolls.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 2:26 pm to Salviati
LSU is the best place in the SEC for anyone to get drafted other than OLine and kinda linebackers but Chavis has been putting them in the nfl since he got here
Posted on 2/8/14 at 2:35 pm to Salviati
We got cam. They don't. End of story.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:50 pm to Salviati
A&M didn't spread the ball around a lot. It was the Manziel/Evans show this year. A&M is going to put the ball in the hands of the playmaker every chance they can get. Speedy will get the ball a lot in his career, probably more than he would've at lsu.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 3:56 pm to Salviati
The thinking in this post is irrelevant in the mind of a typical WR recruit. They see that wide open offense, look at their own skillset, and it intrigues them.
Look, I know of the fact that we have put more WRs in the top 3 rounds of the NFL better than anybody else in the last 10+ years, but kids love trends. They love the hot topic, the flashy, the team that seems to be on the rise. Now that TAMU/Sumlin is in the SEC, they will be on tv all the time in an offense that will throw 35 times a game to 4-5WRs, giving them tons of opportunity to showcase their talent.
Sure we can do the same (showcase the talent), but the perception is different.
Look, I know of the fact that we have put more WRs in the top 3 rounds of the NFL better than anybody else in the last 10+ years, but kids love trends. They love the hot topic, the flashy, the team that seems to be on the rise. Now that TAMU/Sumlin is in the SEC, they will be on tv all the time in an offense that will throw 35 times a game to 4-5WRs, giving them tons of opportunity to showcase their talent.
Sure we can do the same (showcase the talent), but the perception is different.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 5:01 pm to Salviati
Both schools are great options for top-flight WRs. I think A&M is a little better because they use the slot WR better than we have over the past several years. If you're projecting as the #1 or #2, sure, LSU is just as good as A&M, but if you look at someone like Speedy Noil who projects as an elite slot WR, A&M is clearly a better choice
Posted on 2/8/14 at 5:50 pm to Salviati
Good discussion and good OP.
I think what A&zm tries to sell is opportunity. Because we'll use 4 and 5 WR sets, kids will naturally get more reps during practice than at a lot of other places. More reps is more opportunity to shine.
I understand that doesn't address head-on your theory, which is that the very elite kids don't need to play in volumous sets to get reps. They get them by virtue of their supreme talent.
Fair.
But when you look at the stat sheet and see the number of attempts, that resonates with kids. Kids aren't always going to delve into a length analysis behind the numbers. Most just correlate attempts with opportunity--of which they always want more.
When you're recruiting several elite kids that message can be compelling.
The point is supported when you consider guys like Derrel Walker and Travis Labhardt. Derrel is a former juco walk-on, and before Travis walked on to the football team he was running with the women's basketball scout unit.
Those guys had significant production this year. So Sumlin can walk into a recruit's home and point not just to stars like Swope and Evans. He can point to the nobodies.
"Listen ___, we were able to get Labhardt 65 catches last year. He's a former walk-on. We were able to feed him like that despite having a Biletnikoff finalist, another guy with 750 yards receiving, and another with 11 TDs. You don't need to worry about opportunity because you're elite. We've proved that there's plenty to go around--even for our white boy walk-ons."
It's not a hard sell. But that's not to say the top 2 at LSU don't have ample opportunity. They do.
I think what A&zm tries to sell is opportunity. Because we'll use 4 and 5 WR sets, kids will naturally get more reps during practice than at a lot of other places. More reps is more opportunity to shine.
I understand that doesn't address head-on your theory, which is that the very elite kids don't need to play in volumous sets to get reps. They get them by virtue of their supreme talent.
Fair.
But when you look at the stat sheet and see the number of attempts, that resonates with kids. Kids aren't always going to delve into a length analysis behind the numbers. Most just correlate attempts with opportunity--of which they always want more.
When you're recruiting several elite kids that message can be compelling.
The point is supported when you consider guys like Derrel Walker and Travis Labhardt. Derrel is a former juco walk-on, and before Travis walked on to the football team he was running with the women's basketball scout unit.
Those guys had significant production this year. So Sumlin can walk into a recruit's home and point not just to stars like Swope and Evans. He can point to the nobodies.
"Listen ___, we were able to get Labhardt 65 catches last year. He's a former walk-on. We were able to feed him like that despite having a Biletnikoff finalist, another guy with 750 yards receiving, and another with 11 TDs. You don't need to worry about opportunity because you're elite. We've proved that there's plenty to go around--even for our white boy walk-ons."
It's not a hard sell. But that's not to say the top 2 at LSU don't have ample opportunity. They do.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 5:55 pm to Salviati
One other note:
I think you're assuming our best two were equal in talent to the two best at LSU. I disagree.
If we had a guy of either OBJ or Landry's caliber as a second option, I think it's probably fair to assume he'd be taking a combination of looks from our lesser guys (a combination of Walker, Kennedy, and Labhart).
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That wide open offense does not benefit the top WRs at A&M. More to the point, the top two WRs at A&M are not more productive than the top two WRS at LSU.
I think you're assuming our best two were equal in talent to the two best at LSU. I disagree.
If we had a guy of either OBJ or Landry's caliber as a second option, I think it's probably fair to assume he'd be taking a combination of looks from our lesser guys (a combination of Walker, Kennedy, and Labhart).
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 2/8/14 at 6:21 pm to Salviati
If a top WR recruit can't look at our offense this year and drool at the opportunity to play in Cam's system then that's not the reason he's choosing schools.
We had the best WR tandem in the country this year and it wasn't close IMO. They were on display every week. They were showcased as much as top WR can possibly be.
Honestly, if you're a highly talented WR prospect, your talents are going to be better showcased in a pro-style, beat-the-man-in-front-of-you system due to the fact that safeties are going to be playing the run and instead of having to sit down in a 2-high safety zone every week, the system is better designed to get behind the defense for huge YAC's.
We had the best WR tandem in the country this year and it wasn't close IMO. They were on display every week. They were showcased as much as top WR can possibly be.
Honestly, if you're a highly talented WR prospect, your talents are going to be better showcased in a pro-style, beat-the-man-in-front-of-you system due to the fact that safeties are going to be playing the run and instead of having to sit down in a 2-high safety zone every week, the system is better designed to get behind the defense for huge YAC's.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:13 am to Salviati
Sumlin/ A&M is a pass first offense. LSU is generally a run first offense or balanced at best. An 18 year old kid may not see or know the fine details of why LSU could be a better destination. My guess is he sees or has seen what Sumlin did at Houston and does now at A&M and thinks he's going to be catching the ball more there as opposed to if he's on the same team that has 1-4 top college running backs.
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