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GoCrazyAuburn
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Looks like a solid plan to me. The most important thing is to get that death benefit number right. Your wife won't care if it is term or WL if/when you pass away, and neither will you. The good thing with the way you are approaching it, is that you leave yourself with all the flexibility you could want. Especially with a newborn and what not, budgets are nice, but they can go up in flames quickly

The conversion is real simple when you do it, and won't require a medical even if you do it 10 years from now or whenever.

I'm sure the agent included it, but just double check to make sure the disability waiver of premium benefit is on the term policies.



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make sure the disability waiver of premium benefit is on the term policies.
Was discussed. But thanks for reminding me.

I feel good about it. There was a ton of terminoligy that I had to learn before I felt comfortable discussing these things. We had 3 meetings before I finally decided on a plan and put my signature on something.

Thanks again for the help and insight.






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GoCrazyAuburn
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Any time. There is definitely a lot of terminology to understand, so it is a good sign your guy is willing to help. I know plenty that will just push until the product is sold, and the client honestly has no idea. There are those at every company. Sounds like your guy knows what he is doing, so you should be in good hands.






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First, I agree with the comments about an umbrella policy. I'm not clear how people who call themselves "financial planners" are so remiss about this. They are mostly commission driven. Mostly, not all.

With respect to life insurance, which is actually premature death insurance, I own term and universal. The insurance cost inside my universal contract is actually lower than many budget term policies. I fund it for death benefit purposes, and expect the cash value to exhaust itself at 90 funded at present levels, based on the guaranteed side. It's unlikely I'll need it at 90. I'd anticipate over funding it at age 50 for other reasons.

I would maintain that proper financial planning means that eventually most won't need pre-mature death insurance.

There are a lot of decent pre mature death insurance companies out there. I like the model where they run it like a property casualty company, and the sales persons are as knowledgeable as a decent commercial insurance agent. Agent being different than sales person.



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GoCrazyAuburn
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which is actually premature death insurance




Term, yes. WL no. Characterizing them in the same light really isn't fair.

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expect the cash value to exhaust itself at 90 funded at present levels, based on the guaranteed side

What do you mean by this?

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Agent being different than sales person.

huh?






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Iowa Golfer
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which is actually premature death insurance

Term, yes. WL no. Characterizing them in the same light really isn't fair.

Insurance means to insure. In both cases you are insuring against pre-mature death.

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expect the cash value to exhaust itself at 90 funded at present levels, based on the guaranteed side

What do you mean by this?

I had the proposal solved for zero cash value at 90 based on lowest guaranteed interest rate, and highest guaranteed cost of mortality

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Agent being different than sales person.

huh?

Sales people sell. Agents actually understand business. The difference between a purely producer role, and an advisory role.








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Lsupimp
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I have a cheap accidental death policy too b/c of the crazy amount of time I spend on the road. Statistically it's a horrible bet but it's so cheap that it's a solid supplement to my term life policies. I will probably get another 10 or 15 year term policy soon, since my income has really risen lately and I feel a bit vulnerable.





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MontyFranklyn
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...which ones do I need?
Way too vague to give one answer. It depends on what your needs are. You being as young as you are, and I will presume you are healthy, you can should definitely get it now. If you aren't married I would say get a UL. I don't like term myself because I don't like throwing money away. Only 2% of all term policies payout. If you do get term get a return on premium. You will pay a little more, but you will at least get all your money back, but even saying that has its draw backs. If you get a 20 year ROP term and it matures, you will get all the money back, but the value of the dollar 20 years from now will be substantially less than it is now. In this scenario it just depends on your aversion to risk.






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Lsupimp
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I don't like term myself because I don't like throwing money away.


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You will pay a little more, but you will at least get all your money back,


Yeah because it's better to pay a much higher premium, and get back your principle in 30 years than it would have been to save all that money on a term policy and invest it yourself and earn 7 % per annum over 30 years.

Term life is the way to go 98.7% of the time-cover your risk affordably and invest the difference or use it to get better disability or critical illness coverage. Use whole life for an entirely separate strategy, and only AFTER a 30 year term is in place.






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GoCrazyAuburn
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policy and invest it yourself and earn 7 % per annum over 30 years

To be fair, you can do that with a permanent policy too.






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GoCrazyAuburn
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Sales people sell. Agents actually understand business. The difference between a purely producer role, and an advisory role.


That makes more sense. I thought you were saying you didn't want your agent to be the person who sold you te policy.






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GoCrazyAuburn
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I had the proposal solved for zero cash value at 90 based on lowest guaranteed interest rate, and highest guaranteed cost of mortality


Won't that lapse your policy at that point?






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Iowa Golfer
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Won't that lapse your policy at that point?


If I fund it to lapse, it will lapse. Why would I need life insurance at age 90? Estate taxes have been addressed.






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MontyFranklyn
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Yeah because it's better to pay a much higher premium, and get back your principle in 30 years than it would have been to save all that money on a term policy and invest it yourself and earn 7 % per annum over 30 years.
Didn't I mention that the value of the dollar would be less? Can you guarantee that 7%?






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GoCrazyAuburn
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If I fund it to lapse, it will lapse. Why would I need life insurance at age 90? Estate taxes have been addressed.


That's what I was making sure you understood. If that is the way you you are planning for it, go for it. I personally have other ideas, but that is the beauty of individual plans.

I am however interested in your statement that the cost of te insurance for your UL is less than term. I've personally never seen one like that, but pretty cool if you have one.






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Cracking
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GCA,

What is your opinion of Guardian life insurance?

It seems good when I research it. I purchased Guardian WL from a friend when he was getting started. I argued with his manager that I could buy cheap term and invest the difference, but the pros of WL make sense to me.






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Iowa Golfer
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I am however interested in your statement that the cost of te insurance for your UL is less than term. I've personally never seen one like that, but pretty cool if you have one.

I believe the cost of the actual insurance is spelled out pretty clearly in the contracts. I also beleive so are the expenses etc, and the maximum highest cost of insurance.

I'm a funny guy, insurance policies are contracts, and I read through these before I ever sign anything.






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GoCrazyAuburn
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It's okay, but it's historical performance has not been as good as New York Life, Northwestern Mutual, or Mass Mutual. Those are usually the ones I recommend. However, it has been a while since I've really run accross any guardian WL policies. I can look into them more on Monday if you would like. Do you know what return they guarantee on te policy?

They are much more known for their DI policies.






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GoCrazyAuburn
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I believe the cost of the actual insurance is spelled out pretty clearly in the contracts. I also beleive so are the expenses etc, and the maximum highest cost of insurance.


Yea, generally they are. I don't mean to seem like I'm questioning you on it, just that it is something I've never seen before. I've seen a lot of policies, but understandably have not seen them all. Just find it very interesting if true.

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I'm a funny guy, insurance policies are contracts, and I read through these before I ever sign anything.

Not funny, smart.






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Cracking
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Got DI from him also.

I'll need to review it's minimum return guarantee as its been a while since I've thought about the policy other than paying the premium.







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