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re: Saw Lone Survivor last night *Spoilers*
Posted on 1/13/14 at 2:17 pm to The Sad Banana
Posted on 1/13/14 at 2:17 pm to The Sad Banana
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For how long did Gulab hide the real Marcus Luttrell?
Though the time elapsed seems rather brief in the movie, the Lone Survivor true story reveals that the real Gulab hid Marcus Luttrell for four days, moving him from house to house in his Pashtun village and even into a cave to avoid the pursuing Taliban. "The Taliban came and sat down with me," says the real Mohammad Gulab. "I said, 'No, I will not hand him over to you.' ... They told me, 'You will die. Your brother will die. Your cousins will die. Your whole family will die. It's not worth it. Give us the American,' and I said 'No, I will protect him 'til the end.'" Like in the movie, Luttrell was eventually rescued by U.S. forces who had been scouring the mountains for as long as he had been in hiding. -60 Minutes
For how long did Gulab hide the real Marcus Luttrell?
Though the time elapsed seems rather brief in the movie, the Lone Survivor true story reveals that the real Gulab hid Marcus Luttrell for four days, moving him from house to house in his Pashtun village and even into a cave to avoid the pursuing Taliban. "The Taliban came and sat down with me," says the real Mohammad Gulab. "I said, 'No, I will not hand him over to you.' ... They told me, 'You will die. Your brother will die. Your cousins will die. Your whole family will die. It's not worth it. Give us the American,' and I said 'No, I will protect him 'til the end.'" Like in the movie, Luttrell was eventually rescued by U.S. forces who had been scouring the mountains for as long as he had been in hiding. -60 Minutes
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 3:28 pm to supatigah
It's impossible to reconcile all of the media reports, interviews with friends and family, two books (Lone Survivor and Vicory Point) and the movie. The movie is a movie, and everyone should recognize that "based on a true story" isn't the same as a true story. We Were Soldiers Once was a great (and I thought, very accurate) movie up until the end, when Hollywood decided it needed a climactic battle scene to wrap up the story in a neat package. Total bullshite ending, but based on a true story. It sounds like a similar thing happened with Lone Survivor.
That being said, Marcus Luttrell and his co-author, Patrick Robinson, have some glaring inaccuracies in their book and also make some contradictory statements. Luttrell is kind of painted in a corner by having written a book sold as an eyewitness account. He can't renege on his version of events at this point without losing some of his credibility. He states that had they violated the ROE and killed the goatherders, they would have been tried in CIVILIAN court for murder. That's just wrong. He blames the ROE for the deaths of his teammates early in the book, but later says they aren't murderers and wouldn't conduct theirselves like the Taliban. What's it going to be? Are you willing to kill civilians and prisoners, or not? And if not, why was there a vote held?
Speaking of which, Mike Murphy's father vehemently disagrees with Luttrell's assertion that a vote was taken and Murphy left it to Luttrell to decide. He says it's disrespectful to the memory of his son because he believes his son would never be involved in premeditated murder and would not have surrendered his command authority to a subordinate. Various Navy types have also said that the military isn't a democracy... No voting.
There's also a great deal of dispute as to how large the enemy force was. Luttrell says going in they were told 80-200. He splits the difference during the fight and says they were faced with 35-1 odds. Other reports state much lower figures, including Murphy's MOH citation.
For the life of me, I can't understand why they weren't immediately on the radio to report that they'd been compromised and to request extraction, air cover and/or reinforcements. Sad story...
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That being said, Marcus Luttrell and his co-author, Patrick Robinson, have some glaring inaccuracies in their book and also make some contradictory statements. Luttrell is kind of painted in a corner by having written a book sold as an eyewitness account. He can't renege on his version of events at this point without losing some of his credibility. He states that had they violated the ROE and killed the goatherders, they would have been tried in CIVILIAN court for murder. That's just wrong. He blames the ROE for the deaths of his teammates early in the book, but later says they aren't murderers and wouldn't conduct theirselves like the Taliban. What's it going to be? Are you willing to kill civilians and prisoners, or not? And if not, why was there a vote held?
Speaking of which, Mike Murphy's father vehemently disagrees with Luttrell's assertion that a vote was taken and Murphy left it to Luttrell to decide. He says it's disrespectful to the memory of his son because he believes his son would never be involved in premeditated murder and would not have surrendered his command authority to a subordinate. Various Navy types have also said that the military isn't a democracy... No voting.
There's also a great deal of dispute as to how large the enemy force was. Luttrell says going in they were told 80-200. He splits the difference during the fight and says they were faced with 35-1 odds. Other reports state much lower figures, including Murphy's MOH citation.
For the life of me, I can't understand why they weren't immediately on the radio to report that they'd been compromised and to request extraction, air cover and/or reinforcements. Sad story...
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