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Starter Deer Rifle????
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:34 pm
Have 3 boys 4 to 11 month. Leaning 223 but just heard about 300 blackout. Pros n cons as well as other ideas appreciated!
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:36 pm to WRedmondsStang
Man i dont really like 223 for deer. Low as i would go is 243
7mm-08 reduced recoils would be prefered, they could just change ammo when got older and use same gun.
7mm-08 reduced recoils would be prefered, they could just change ammo when got older and use same gun.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:37 pm to WRedmondsStang
300 black out would be a good option.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:45 pm to WRedmondsStang
This subject needs a sticky
Posted on 1/8/14 at 5:23 pm to WRedmondsStang
7mm-08 reduced recoil
Bought my kid a savage axis youth with scope last year for about 300
Good little starter gun
Bought my kid a savage axis youth with scope last year for about 300
Good little starter gun
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:14 am to WRedmondsStang
quote:
ave 3 boys 4 to 11 month. Leaning 223 but just heard about 300 blackout.
I have two boys 6 and 4 and am thinking about getting a rifle for them to use as well. I have been leaning to the 300 blackout since it will have about the lightest recoil you can get from a deer rifle and the AR platform with a 6 position stock will allow the rifle to grow with them. The 300 blk is similar in power to the 7.62x39 (actually about 17% more) and the 30-30. Within 150 yds it should perform great. The barnes TAC-TX 110 gr bullets should be deadly on whitetail.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 9:16 am
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:20 am to WRedmondsStang
7 mag or 300 WSM if you want to man them up quick
You can get a crack barrel 243 with scope pretty cheap.
You can get a crack barrel 243 with scope pretty cheap.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:37 am to WRedmondsStang
My son started shooting his Savage .223 when he was 4. It fit him well and he is very comfortable shooting it. The gun has killed 5 deer, although my son shot a small buck earlier this year and we tracked it for 4 hours with good blood trial then the blood dried up. So, I could see how some people are concerned about the size of a .223, but I think it was more of a shot placement problem. He shot a little to far to the back, by on 2-3", but that's all it takes.I'll try and link a video for you to see him shooting it.
ETA- Here is the link of the video, it's Fakebook so let me know if it doesn't work and I'll try and post it another way.
Shooting the .223 at 4 years old
ETA- Here is the link of the video, it's Fakebook so let me know if it doesn't work and I'll try and post it another way.
Shooting the .223 at 4 years old
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 9:51 am
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:57 am to WRedmondsStang
Little vegas is currently shooting a h&r 7mmO8 . It will be passed down to his little brother next year so im in the process of looking for another myself . I know browning makes a micro x bolt but itll run about 899 . The 700 is about 550-640 . Savge makes a 270 youth for about 400 bucks and thats the way im leaning . I have a browning 270 and he can drive tacks with it
Posted on 1/10/14 at 12:43 am to WRedmondsStang
WRS,
While there are lots of hunters who are fans of using 243s and 22 caliber center fires for youth hunters, I'm not one of them. I read a lot about extremely deadly shots made w/ smaller rounds, but every now and then there'll be an unexpected disappointing result. I think larger rounds are more consistent and a little more forgiving w/ shot placement (no one makes a good shot every time).
The 300 BlackOut, 300/221 or 300 Whisper would be a great youth gun. Originally I intended to buy my son a 300/221 in a Contender carbine when he started deer hunting, but that didn't work out. W/ the BO, you're basically getting 30-30 performance but w/ less recoil
If you don't get the 300 BO, my personal rec is to get a 260 Rem, 7-08 Rem or 308 Win and start your son(s) out on reduced recoil loads. A reduced recoil 308 Win actually recoils less than a full power 243 Win. When my son started hunting at 10 y/o I bought him a full size Savage bolt action (308 Win) package gun w/ regular stock. Started out w/ reduced recoil loads that I handloaded. He's done fine w/ this gun. Whatever you buy, use reduced recoil loads. At the bench, consider a sandbag between shoulder and butt of gun and use both plugs and muffs. Sure, he won't notice the recoil in the field, but if he develops bad habits in practice, it will carry over to the field and probably result in a flinch (no matter how big he may be).
No personal experience w/ the H&R or Rossi crack barrels. From reading on the 'net, quality control seem to be either hit or miss. One of my friends (who's an accomplished shooter and handloader) has one; he gave up on over getting it to shoot better than 2" groups at 100 yds. He'll prolly get more lifetime use w/ a bolt action than the Rossi.
While there are lots of hunters who are fans of using 243s and 22 caliber center fires for youth hunters, I'm not one of them. I read a lot about extremely deadly shots made w/ smaller rounds, but every now and then there'll be an unexpected disappointing result. I think larger rounds are more consistent and a little more forgiving w/ shot placement (no one makes a good shot every time).
The 300 BlackOut, 300/221 or 300 Whisper would be a great youth gun. Originally I intended to buy my son a 300/221 in a Contender carbine when he started deer hunting, but that didn't work out. W/ the BO, you're basically getting 30-30 performance but w/ less recoil
If you don't get the 300 BO, my personal rec is to get a 260 Rem, 7-08 Rem or 308 Win and start your son(s) out on reduced recoil loads. A reduced recoil 308 Win actually recoils less than a full power 243 Win. When my son started hunting at 10 y/o I bought him a full size Savage bolt action (308 Win) package gun w/ regular stock. Started out w/ reduced recoil loads that I handloaded. He's done fine w/ this gun. Whatever you buy, use reduced recoil loads. At the bench, consider a sandbag between shoulder and butt of gun and use both plugs and muffs. Sure, he won't notice the recoil in the field, but if he develops bad habits in practice, it will carry over to the field and probably result in a flinch (no matter how big he may be).
No personal experience w/ the H&R or Rossi crack barrels. From reading on the 'net, quality control seem to be either hit or miss. One of my friends (who's an accomplished shooter and handloader) has one; he gave up on over getting it to shoot better than 2" groups at 100 yds. He'll prolly get more lifetime use w/ a bolt action than the Rossi.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 2:49 am to WRedmondsStang
I started with a browning BAR 243 and never had any problems with shooting or recoil at 5 yrs old. Awesome caliber for a youngster.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:10 am to WRedmondsStang
My vote is 7mm-08. My son grew up with it and still shoots it as a young man. We have never lost a deer with it and farthest track was 50 yds about a week ago. Moving buck and he shot a little high but excellent blood trail. Lot of load options as well. Shot placement is key with anything so get them comfortable with it. Great caliber IMO. Search this topic - several recent threads. Start slow, focus on safety and make it fun for them. Good luck.
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