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re: Does anyone still get the LSU had to cheat to win crap?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:25 am to Moustache
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:25 am to Moustache
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If the only reason your offense works is because of tempo, then maybe you either lack the skills to call a good offensive game or you lack the talent. Why else would a team NEED hurry up in order to be successful?
Just to be clear.
Your opinion is that
- Running legal plays at a fast tempo = lack of skills or talent
- Faking an injury on defense because you can't stop the offense, which is running legal plays = All Good
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:26 am to EastBankTiger
i literally have heard not one word about the Outback Bowl since it ended. Wait, that was the bowl right?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:28 am to McLemore
It's gamesmanship....not against the rules....coaches need to deal with it!
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 10:54 am
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:30 am to uway
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If the only reason your offense works is because of tempo, then maybe you either lack the skills to call a good offensive game or you lack the talent.
This doesn't even begin to make sense.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:34 am to uway
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Also, amazing to see people say, with no self-awareness at all, that faking an injury is not poor sportsmanship.
You don't see how not allowing a Defense to substitute or quick snapping a ball isn't poor sportsmanship?
There's a reason the hurry up works. It's because the Oline doesn't have to run as much as the Dline. Thus, the Dline becomes a nonfactor giving your QB and RB a field day. It's not smart, it's not "genius", it's bitch ball.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:37 am to Salmon
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If you know your opponent is injured, is it poor sportsmanship to attack that injury? No, you are simply using his disadvantage to your advantage.
Night and day difference between that and pretending to be hurt to gain an advantage.
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It's sports
Your coaches taught you poor sportsmanship.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:38 am to Moustache
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There's a reason the hurry up works. It's because the Oline doesn't have to run as much as the Dline. Thus, the Dline becomes a nonfactor giving your QB and RB a field day. It's not smart, it's not "genius", it's bitch ball.
And faking an injury to slow down the offense isn't "bitch ball"?
Got it.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:38 am to Moustache
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yeah, we don't have the talent to play you like a man, so we're gonna try to snap the ball before you're ready and not let you substitute because you're better than us."
This is pretty stupid. Marcus Mariota is one of the most highly rated QBs in the country. De'Anthony Thomas is a pretty good running back. Josh Huff is a pretty good WR. Oregon runs the hurry up.
Tre Mason is one of the top 4 RBs in this draft and Auburn runs a hurry up offense to be successful.
Peyton Mannning is fairly talented and they run a hurry up at times.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:39 am to uway
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Your opinion is that
- Running legal plays at a fast tempo = lack of skills or talent
- Faking an injury on defense because you can't stop the offense, which is running legal plays = All Good
It doesn't take a genius to realize the Dline is running A LOT more than the Oline. Hurry up is inherently playing like a bitch because you either can't line up man to man or you don't have the skills to run a conventional offense. There's a reason many of the lesser talented teams run the hurry up spread.
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Faking an injury on defense because you can't stop the offense, which is running legal plays = All Good
you don't fake an injury when you can't stop an offense. You fake one when you need a substitution. If we're really all about player safety, having the dline get that exhausted can lead to overheating, dehydration, etc.
I don't like faking an injury, but you gotta do something to combat the other team's bitch ball.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:40 am to 20MuleTeam
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This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 8:42 am
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:43 am to uway
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Night and day difference between that and pretending to be hurt to gain an advantage.
Is it?
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Your coaches taught you poor sportsmanship.
Is it poor sportsmanship to hit the ground for a hand injury?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:43 am to Moustache
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There's a reason many of the lesser talented teams run the hurry up spread.
The Patriots run a lot of hurry up offense, does that make Tom Brady less talented?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:46 am to uway
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Night and day difference between that and pretending to be hurt to gain an advantage.
What advantage is gained? I don't see the problem with "faking" an injury to slow the game down. What's the difference between this and embellishing the impact of a late hit or hold or possible interference to draw a flag? That's just as much faking as laying down for an injury.
I'd also make the argument that if someone is fatigued and unable to substitute because of the pace of the offense, that it's smarter to go down and nothing unsportsmanlike about it.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:03 am to EarthwormJim
Lots of whining on this thread. Those complaining about the HUNH offenses remind me of Bama fans around me droning their coach's latest theories.
The HUNH is a strategy, with benefits (catching the defense off guard) and costs (reduced playbook). Faking injury is a strategy with benefits (giving other players a breather) and costs (removal of that player for the next play).
Yet, at no time can anyone standing in the stands tell whether the player lying on the ground is hurt or faking it. Booing is unacceptable.
It's going to be a long off-season.
GEAUX TIGERS
The HUNH is a strategy, with benefits (catching the defense off guard) and costs (reduced playbook). Faking injury is a strategy with benefits (giving other players a breather) and costs (removal of that player for the next play).
Yet, at no time can anyone standing in the stands tell whether the player lying on the ground is hurt or faking it. Booing is unacceptable.
It's going to be a long off-season.
GEAUX TIGERS
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:07 am to Thorny
Nothing will be done about faking injuries. See the NFL's recent lawsuit with former players on concussions for evidence. In the "I'm gonna sue you" reality we live in, its too much of a liability to assume any injury, even when clearly faked, is indeed a fake. So, in short, just deal with it!
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 9:08 am
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:10 am to Thorny
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It's going to be a long off-season.
amen to thatPosted on 1/8/14 at 9:11 am to EarthwormJim
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What advantage is gained?
Gain the advantage of slowing the offense down.
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What's the difference between this and embellishing the impact of a late hit or hold or possible interference to draw a flag? That's just as much faking as laying down for an injury
That's exactly like the "diving" soccer takes so much heat for. Soccer players actually get penalized for embellishment, though.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:13 am to lsuhunt555
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I keep hearing...but but, LSU had to fake an injury to stop Iowa.
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Where are you hearing this?
Really, who is still talking about that game? Was it that big of a deal to Iowa fans?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:14 am to EastBankTiger
That game is over. They're Iowa. It doesn't matter.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:14 am to Giantkiller
So if a player has a concussion we should let the offense continue to run players and not give that guy a chance to get off the field
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