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re: Hudspeth to Vandy?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:31 pm to Prof
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:31 pm to Prof
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Regardless of who y'all end up with what are Vandy fan's expectations going to be after having two back to back historically good seasons? Do you think there will be a 'Paterno faction' that undermines any new guy just because he's not like CJF? Do you think the fan base will understand that next year will likely be a step back but it won't be because whoever is hired messed it up? How do you see that playing out?
Honestly, I think this is a great question and I'm not sure of the answer. On the one side, the next coach would be following a school legend. Anything less than 9 wins will be seen as a step back, and will be compared negatively to CJF. I know it is only 3 years, but it is very similar to the Vols with Pearl in basketball. Your current coach is good, but everyone compares his resume to Pearl's and acts like that is the baseline instead of the exception. Also, Franklin, like Pearl, is an amazing salesman that energizes the fanbase and creates interest in people who are not core fans. That will be hard to follow. Especially if the next coach (if needed) is a solid coach lacking charisma, like Cuonzo.
On the other side, we are Vandy fans. We are all too familiar with 2 win seasons and losing to horrible teams. In comparative terms, we wish we had the Cubs history. Any coach that can get us to semi-regular bowl games, beat UK half the time, and UT occasionally will be revered. I don't think that has changed.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:04 pm to borodore
You realize the only program in America with less winning than Vandy is Ulala right? And the man has won three bowl games the past three years there. He was one play away from beating Florida. If HUD can win at Ulala, he can win anywhere. No one, and I mean no one has one at ulala besides him in modern history.
Until HUD came in, since 1970 they had one 9 win season. That was 1976. They've won 9 games the last three years.
Until HUD came in, since 1970 they had one 9 win season. That was 1976. They've won 9 games the last three years.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:13 pm to Vegas Bengal
I meant no disrespect to Hudspeth. I'm sure he is a great coach, I honestly don't know that much about him. I was actually joking with the Brown thing.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:18 pm to Vegas Bengal
What's the academic requirements for football players at Vandy? HUD has been successful recruiting the kids that have grade problems
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:59 pm to SaintCajun
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What's the academic requirements for football players at Vandy? HUD has been successful recruiting the kids that have grade problems
I know this isn't the requirement, but my best friend in high school had a 4.0 GPA with a solid load of Honors/AP classes then scored 32 on the ACT only to get wait-listed. My point is that grade problem kids are not an option. Vanderbilt requires all recruits to meet academic requirements for admission before they can be offered an athletic scholarship.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:02 am to DoreonthePlains
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I know this isn't the requirement, but my best friend in high school had a 4.0 GPA with a solid load of Honors/AP classes then scored 32 on the ACT only to get wait-listed.
That's for regular students. No way you need anywhere near that to play football at Vandy.
Hudspeth recruits a lot of late qualifiers...doubt that would fly at Vandy though.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:56 am to Overbrook
Oh yeah, I totally understand that. Just read the next couple of sentences haha
The point is that this isn't a school for anyone with less than stellar grades. They would be suspended like McClellan and Johnson from the basketball team. A Vanderbilt coach couldn't risk that for football.
The point is that this isn't a school for anyone with less than stellar grades. They would be suspended like McClellan and Johnson from the basketball team. A Vanderbilt coach couldn't risk that for football.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:10 am to DoreonthePlains
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My point is that grade problem kids are not an option.
Then HUD is not your guy. I think he's a very good up and coming coach and would hate to see him leave but he does take chances on kids that a lot of coaches won't.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:31 am to borodore
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Honestly, I think this is a great question and I'm not sure of the answer. On the one side, the next coach would be following a school legend. Anything less than 9 wins will be seen as a step back, and will be compared negatively to CJF. I know it is only 3 years, but it is very similar to the Vols with Pearl in basketball. Your current coach is good, but everyone compares his resume to Pearl's and acts like that is the baseline instead of the exception. Also, Franklin, like Pearl, is an amazing salesman that energizes the fanbase and creates interest in people who are not core fans. That will be hard to follow. Especially if the next coach (if needed) is a solid coach lacking charisma, like Cuonzo.
I can see the Pearl comparison. I haven't cared that much about UT men's basketball since Pearl left. It's just not the same and fandom is an emotional thing. Losing Peal was hard and had as much to do (probably more) with all the work he did around campus and making us feel a part of things as it did with winning. He still means a lot to us and if we had a say the majority would hire him back. I have nothing against Cuonzo but even if he the team were doing better (I mean consistently playing the way they should be given the enormous talent right now) he's still so painfully boring. A good guy but boring and not nearly as easy to connect with. It's almost like the NCAA somehow forced us to hire the anti-Pearl as punishment.
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On the other side, we are Vandy fans. We are all too familiar with 2 win seasons and losing to horrible teams. In comparative terms, we wish we had the Cubs history. Any coach that can get us to semi-regular bowl games, beat UK half the time, and UT occasionally will be revered. I don't think that has changed.
I don't think 2 win seasons are gonna return. Your scheduling is too favorable for that without an implosion of epic proportions like Arky after Petrino wrecked his bike and their program along with it epic.
Still, you're at a critical juncture in terms of the future of the program. If Franklin leaves the fans are going to need to swallow any disappointment they might have and throw all their support behind the new guy. Even if you have to fake until you make it I think a lot hinges on supporting the next coach.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 1:32 am
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:06 am to Overbrook
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Hudspeth recruits a lot of late qualifiers...
And a lot of JUCOs... Doubt that would fly at Vandy either.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:31 am to peaster68
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Hudspeth recruits a lot of late qualifiers...
And a lot of JUCOs... Doubt that would fly at Vandy either.
He's a smart guy and found a niche for ULL. But it's a niche that can't be used at most jobs that would constitute a promotion for him. So then you have to determine whether he's just a niche finder - he found one that fits ULL, so maybe he'll find one that fits job X. Or maybe he can't do that.
But his standard high school recruiting hasn't been particularly exceptional.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 11:26 am to peaster68
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Hudspeth recruits a lot of late qualifiers...
And a lot of JUCOs... Doubt that would fly at Vandy either.
I wouldn't say a LOT of JUCOs, not anywhere near the level LaTech was/is. Fact of the matter is when he took the job, late qualifiers and some JUCOs were the only way we could bring talent to Lafayette.
Now that he has three successful seasons under his belt, and is hosting plenty of camps around the state - we're starting to see a push for quality high school kids.
So I wouldn't say it's his niche, more of laying a foundation to build on.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:17 pm to peaster68
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And a lot of JUCOs... Doubt that would fly at Vandy either.
He's had an average of 4 per year the last 3 years. That's not alot compared to other schools. (La Tech had 12 in 2011 and 10 in 2013 for example)
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:19 pm to jennyjones
HUD to Vandy and Coach O to the Cajuns.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:55 pm to SaintCajun
Hudspeth should pass on Vandy. Great place, but the expectations there are much higher now. Franklin maxed out the program.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:12 pm to SaintCajun
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HUD to Vandy and Coach O to the Cajuns.
Don't see either happening, but Orgeron? There is no way that would happen.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:18 pm to ZooTiger
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Don't see either happening, but Orgeron? There is no way that would happen.
Wishful thinking. I know it would never happen
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:28 pm to windhammontanatigers
Yeah it's a real threat
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:29 pm to ZooTiger
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Don't see either happening, but Orgeron? There is no way that would happen.
I think I heard he wanted the job before we hired Hudspeth.
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