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This was a good episode, with a look at a side of Kirk we rarely see - making questionable decisions and ignoring his mission for personal reasons. It was also a look at his past that we don't get very often.

The Ensign Garrovick/Ensign Kirk parallel was a nice touch.

Kirk, Spock, and McCoy have a great scene together in Kirk's quarters as they confront the captain about his behavior.

Even Nurse Chapel has a nice little scene with Garrovick in sickbay.

On a side note, when I watched this episode on Netflix, I got the original effects, not the remastered edition. That's the first time that has happened to me, I think.






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This was a good episode, with a look at a side of Kirk we rarely see - making questionable decisions and ignoring his mission for personal reasons.


Not nearly as different from the new Kirk as Ace would have us all believe.






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I love this ep, it does show a very intriguing look at kirk's past. I really am shocked that the monster "had to die" this time...thought they have moved past that?





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The Ensign Garrovick/Ensign Kirk parallel was a nice touch.


I think this was also recycled in the plot of Star Trek: The Motion Picture - in that plot you had the "young Captain" - (Stephen Collins as the son of Matt Deckar) - in contrast to Kirk's middle-aged admiral.

In fact, I believe that entire dynamic was recreated in TNG - whereas Pickard was a captain of "admiral status" - and Riker was a captain-in-waiting (and ultimately for a long, long time.)

In Obsession - Stephen Brooks (Garrovick) - despite being only 25 at the time - was already a veteran television actor. Other than this appearance in Star Trek, he is probably best remembered as being the younger FBI agent during the first 2 seasons of The FBI - with Efram Zimbalist, Jr.







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*THE IMMUNITY SYNDROME*



The Enterprise investigates the disappearance of a sister ship, manned by Vulcans. The Intrepid has apparently been destroyed by a life form also responsible for the death of an entire inhabited system, Gamma 7A. Can the NCC-1701 crew succeed where an entire crew of Vulcans failed to overcome the energy-draining capabilities of this creature?






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I liked the concept of this one - a truly alien and bizarre thing to encounter in space.

My favorite thing about the episode was the Spock/McCoy scientific rivalry and Kirk's difficult decision of who to send on the shuttlecraft.

There were also a couple of great lines in this one. The Vulcans on the Intrepid were so perplexed by the unknown force that when Spock was asked what they felt at the moment of death, he answered "Astonishment."

Also -
"Tell Dr McCoy he should have wished me luck."

And -
"Shut up, Spock! We're rescuing you!"
"Why, thank you ... Captain McCoy."


"Don't be so smart, Spock! You botched the acetylcholine test!"







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My favorite thing about the episode was the Spock/McCoy scientific rivalry


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Kirk's difficult decision of who to send on the shuttlecraft.


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The Vulcans on the Intrepid were so perplexed by the unknown force that when Spock was asked what they felt at the moment of death, he answered "Astonishment."


You hit all of the key issues with this - this kind of thing - of course midway through the series run - is what separates this show from most other shows. Here we have three men, in fairly silly looking costumes by today's standards, and the viewer is completely drawn in to the very human struggle and drama involved. And yet it retains a light touch, doesn't beat you over the head with the message and retains that barracks humor that really exists in military organizations.

And I'm blown away how well the content has aged in almost 50 years.






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Star Trek was one of my Dad's favorite shows growing up, being the huge Science Fiction fan he was.

It became one of my favorites, not for the Science Fiction (which honestly bores me to tears 95% of the time), but for the incredible frequency of hammy, over-the-top acting.

Do I have a place here? Or will I be beamed and marooned to an isolated, but habitable, place on this cyberboard?






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Do I have a place here? Or will I be beamed and marooned to an isolated, but habitable, place on this cyberboard?


We tend to talk about the science fiction aspects of the show quite a bit in these threads.

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but for the incredible frequency of hammy, over-the-top acting.



Other than Shatner, and the occasional guest star, there wasn't a lot of this in TOS - I've seen every episode, literally dozens of times. This criticism is partially due to public perception (not all of it justified) of Shatner's adapted stage acting technique and the balance of it is the era - virtually every dramatic screen actor of the era this had elements of this in their technique - the only reason there aren't more examples for shows like this is that this is the only hour long show from the 60s that anybody watches anymore. The other popular shows from the 1960s are virtually all situational comedies.

So, if you want to enjoy a discussion about how hammy, over-the-top the acting is - perhaps start an Adam West's Batman/Get Smart/Brady Bunch/Hogan's Heroes/Gilligan's Island/I Dream of Jeannie/Bewitched/Andy Griffith Show/Munsters/Addams Family/Green Acres/Beverly Hillbillies/Petticoat Junction thread.

(And I love each and every one of those shows.)



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We're cut from the same cloth, minus hardcore science fiction. I enjoyed all of those shows, too. And while I enjoy aspects of science fiction it's usually as the spice instead of the meat, as with Back to The Future, Groundhog Day or even Quantum Leap.

When I think of TOS hammy overacting I also think of Scotty and Chekov, as well as the occasional guest star. One of my friends in school could do a spot on Scotty. "I can't change the laws of physics, man! I've got to have 30 more minutes!!"

At any rate, the appeal of the TOS (for me) was much more character based - and the beautiful women Kirk would tag. How could you not love that? Mini-skirts. 60's hair and make-up. Janice Rand was everything right about the 60's. And like with the TV Westerns of the 60's, there will apparently be no fat broads in the future.

I hope you don't mind if I chip in once in a while. Star Trek was definitely an all-time classic.



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I hope you don't mind if I chip in once in a while. Star Trek was definitely an all-time classic.



Well, there just aren't a lot of examples television programming (or any visual source media, for that matter) that, essentially, spawns an entire new film genre (mainstream, big budget space opera), 4 sequel/prequel series, spanning over 7 times the original series' run, soon to be 13 feature films (although 3 in name only), create or popularize the entire concept of a fan-oriented "convention", and the list goes on.

There are only 2 things remotely in the same category - James Bond film franchise (and really, not nearly the scope of Star Trek's influence - but comparable endurance) and Star Wars - which itself owes a shite ton of gratitude to Star Trek for essentially creating the market from scratch.

Of course you're welcome to participate in the discussion.



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*AMOK TIME*


This episode was parodied in the Jim Carrey movie, "The Cable Guy", complete with Carrey's Spock imitation and Matthew Broderick getting cut across the chest.











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Not nearly as different from the new Kirk as Ace would have us all believe.


shhh TOS Kirk was a god...:P






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*A PIECE OF THE ACTION*



The Enterprise visits a planet with whom first contact had been made prior to the Prime Directive. As the inhabitants are prone to imitation, the contamination by the previous crew results in the planet being organized along the lines of gangs operating in large U.S. cities during the 1930s.

Kirk, Spock and McCoy try to stay 1 step ahead of the gangsters as they try to figure out how to repair the damage - if that's even possible.






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Fun episode. I always enjoy the series' more lighthearted adventures.

Lots of funny bits in the episode - the over the top slang, Kirk's "son", and Fizzbin. My favorite is Kirk and Spock trying to drive around town.
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(Kirk runs towards the car.) 
SPOCK: Must we? 
KIRK: It's faster than walking. 
SPOCK: But not as safe. 
KIRK: Are you afraid of cars? 
SPOCK: Not at all, Captain. It's your driving that alarms me.


Memorable performances by the guest stars, too. Caruso and Tayback were born to play gangsters.








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A tip of the hat to the great Vic Tayback, who seemed to play the same character type on everything.






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