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re: My Final Take on the Outback Bowl

Posted on 12/29/13 at 6:23 pm to
Posted by nchawk
Greensboro, NC
Member since Nov 2004
652 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 6:23 pm to
ok, it's been 31 pages. I keep looking but I can't not look.

I'm calling it here.


it's official


Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7541 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 6:28 pm to
I'm still waiting for an Iowa fan to explain how stopping our QB is going to win them the game. They think they win the game because of their strong running attack.

LSU's 2 RB's have 70 less carries than Iowa's, for about 330 more yards, and 14 more touchdowns.

And the post about Iowa having clear advantages on the OLine, DLine, LB, TE, and special teams? Wow.

In terms of All-Purpose yards Beckahm is #2 in the nation. Jeremy Hill is even #40. Iowa doesn't have a player in the Top 50. Not counting how good our kicking has been this year. Though you can expect Keehn to choke one punt a game.

La'El Collins was the #1 OT in his class. And rated as the #8 OT in the NFL Draft this year. In our loss to Ole Miss this year on the final drive we lost Collins, and I think 2 more of our lineman to injury as well as our FB Copeland. As long as our Oline stays healthy we have the advantage there.

Ego Ferguson is rated as the #5 DT in the NFL class and Anthony Johnson is rated as the #10 DT in the NFL class. And they've had a bad year even. They can play at a higher level.

I'll give you TE. Fiedorowicz is pretty good. Don't sleep on Jennings passing to Dickson and Smith. Mettenberger never realized the TE could catch a ball it seemed like.

Barrow is rated as the #8 ILB on the NFL class. Iowa's Morris is #14. Kirksey for Iowa is the #14 OLB. 2 of the bigger LSU LB's are Debo and Kwon both are sophomores. Welter is gonna Welter though. I'd say this is about a push.

Edit: CO_Hawk calling people out about sentence structure? Wow as well.
This post was edited on 12/29/13 at 6:31 pm
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23719 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 6:34 pm to
Damn. Barrow is ranked above their ILBs? I thought that was the strength of Iowa's D? Barrow got exposed this year. Not that great.
Posted by nchawk
Greensboro, NC
Member since Nov 2004
652 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 6:41 pm to
Posted by CO_hawk
Fort Collins
Member since Dec 2013
81 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 7:06 pm to
Sentence structure and reading comprehension are two totally different things, not that I'd expect you to understand.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23719 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 7:10 pm to
I know Iowa's defensive approach has been picked over a little bit in this thread. Considering that this will be Jenning's first start, conventional wisdom would dictate that they stack the box early and try to force him to make plays. That seems to be the safest choice.

However, looking back over the rest of the season, LSU fans know that this approach didn't work out well for those who tried it, thanks to Mettenberger's improved passing and Cam's gameplanning. The LSU offense did stop themselves at times with penalties and turnovers, but there were really only two defenses that slowed them down significantly.

First, Ole Miss made an interesting move that really paid off. Instead of stacking the box to bolster their banged up front 7, they played back and focused on keeping a safety deep in pass coverage to prevent big plays. Mett kept forcing the ball, resulting in 3 picks, and a lot of frustration. Cam didn't really adjust the gameplan until halftime, already down 10-0. Mett got on track in the second half, taking what the D gave him, but unfortunately, it was too little, too late. It was a smart, if unconventional move from the Ole Miss staff. I really don't think Cam and co expected it.

The second was obviously Bama, especially in the second half. After Mett was effective in the 2nd half, Saban dialed up the pressure and it killed us. The O-Line alone couldn't absorb the extra pressure, and 2 man routes weren't enough against their secondary using max protect. The young Tiger line wore down in the 3rd quarter, and that was it.

The interesting thing about the Outback Bowl is that, neither of the formulas that worked during the season are real options for Iowa. I don't think there is another D in college football except maybe Michigan State that is solid enough across the board to make Bama's gameplan work against our offense. Even UF couldn't pull it off, even though we went more conservative on O against them. I seriously doubt Iowa will. Plus, Jennings' mobility makes this strategy more risky.

As for Ole Miss' strategy, it doesn't seem like the smartest play, either. If Iowa doesn't play one safety up in the box, the Tigers will pound the rock on them until they do. We all know Les Miles. We kept getting greedy against Ole Miss, going for big plays with play action, but that probably won't happen this time out. It will be like the UF game. Pound, pound, and pound some more. Safe passes when necessary. With a healthy line, and a healthy Copeland for the first time in a LONG time, I would be shocked if iowa could stop this consistently playing the run straight up.

But again, with Jennings making his first start, I would bet that Iowa puts 8 or 9 in the box and dares him to make plays. There is certainly more danger for LSU in that strategy. However, we've all seen the circus catches that Landry and Beckham have made this year. I really hope that Cam and the staff are preparing the young man to stretch this defense and keep them honest. If Iowa wants to make LSU one-dimensional, the Tigers have to find a way to turn that against them. I would love to see some zone read, and if Jennings is up to it, a healthy dose of hurry up early to limit substitutions and wear the defense down.
This post was edited on 12/29/13 at 7:22 pm
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7541 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 7:20 pm to
quote:

CO_hawk


I fully understand the two. You come on here and say LSU fans only rant and don't give anything statistical or factual about the game. I've brought you stats countering and questioning most of your posts.

Yet the only thing you reply to is the fact your grammar sucks.

Thanks for proving my point about lack of reading comprehension as well as sentence structure.
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
13531 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 7:31 pm to
quote:

Sentence structure and reading comprehension are two totally different things, not that I'd expect you to understand.


Dude, your in Iowa...
Posted by todospm
Member since Sep 2013
526 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 7:56 pm to
Iowa is home to the world's best writing programs in both fiction and non-fiction.

Although I agree that the OP acted like an idiot and posted many rash, ill-informed comment, I don't think the Hakeyes fans have been 'owned' in this thread by any measure.

Other than LSU fans saying that Iowa's LBs are overrated and that an inexperienced QB is going to shred an experienced defense, where exactly was all the ownage? A few guys mentioned Iowa's NFL pedigree and got laughed at, as if Iowa is Northern Iowa. The school is top 15 for players on NFL rosters and outproduces a hefty majority of teams forming your elite gauntlet unstoppable SEC conference schedule, which (in theory) causes all non-SEC powerhouses to automatically lose three or four games and become like the seventh best team in the conference. *unless referring to B12 also rans, particularly their diminutive freshmen quarterbacks.

Would any other school in the top 15 for NFL player production be laughed at and called blatantly untalented? And Iowa fans are idiotic to take the least bit of umbrage?

ETA: Searched the SECrant archives for thoughtful analysis of the Iowa and South Carolina Outback bowl, and the tigerdroppings archives for thoughtful Iowa - Georgia Tech Orange Bowl analysis, and it's like the comments have been grafted mysteriously into this thread, all these years later.
This post was edited on 12/29/13 at 8:07 pm
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
13531 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:17 pm to
quote:

Would any other school in the top 15 for NFL player production be laughed at and called blatantly untalented? And Iowa fans are idiotic to take the least bit of umbrage?


When they are winning college games at the pace Iowa has been I don't think anyone would be afraid of their "talent". They may have produced a good bit of NFL players, but when your lingering around the 8-4 mark ( didn't look up records, just going off a guess here) for the past 10 years I don't think programs like LSU will be afraid by any means

ETA: not trying to bash on Iowa or anything, but some of their guys on here act like they've been playing for national championships and shite like that with how confident they are
This post was edited on 12/29/13 at 8:22 pm
Posted by todospm
Member since Sep 2013
526 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:29 pm to
True. And it is your board. And many have acted like twats. And the SEC does have 7 straight MNCs. So I can understand why many fans would be like, frick it, I don't need to listen to this. But Iowa has had 4 10+ win seasons since 2002, I think. Then there's a 9 win season, a couple 8s, 7s and 6s, and a 4, or something like that. Not amazing but certainly better than Cal, who's also on the NFL producer list but who (before their recent melt down) would never have been simply laughed off the board as untalented stiffs who will lose by 28 if LSU bothers to show up.

ETA: Forget Cal, think of all the 8-4 type SEC teams that come nipping at LSU's heels every year, most of whom don't come close to producing NFL players like Iowa. Are they just shown the exit and told, "Lol. 28 point victory if we try."
This post was edited on 12/29/13 at 8:31 pm
Posted by tress4pres
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
3858 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:52 pm to
quote:

Dude, your in Iowa...


What about it?
Posted by tress4pres
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
3858 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 9:01 pm to
Not being a dick (and I'm rooting for Iowa in this one) but if the Hawkeyes stay within 10 of LSU I would be shocked. They will have to play perfect football and LSU needs to play like total dogshit for them to have a chance. By dogshit I mean 3 or 4 turnovers and giving up a few big plays...maybe a special teams TD and a pick 6.

Like I said, not being a dick but I've seen Iowa play several times this year and I just don't see them competing on this one. I hope I'm wrong though.
Posted by CO_hawk
Fort Collins
Member since Dec 2013
81 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 9:03 pm to
quote:


I fully understand the two. You come on here and say LSU fans only rant and don't give anything statistical or factual about the game. I've brought you stats countering and questioning most of your posts.

Yet the only thing you reply to is the fact your grammar sucks.

Thanks for proving my point about lack of reading comprehension as well as sentence structure.


You are correct, thanks for proving me right again. I have said nothing about grammar, I said I wish some on this board could develop better reading comprehension because everything I say get misconstrued into something I didn't say.

Like you just did again.
Posted by CO_hawk
Fort Collins
Member since Dec 2013
81 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 9:06 pm to
quote:

Dude, your in Iowa...


Dude, no I'm not. Neither is half of the Iowa fans on this board. We live all across the country, and outnumber most in the SEC.
Posted by BrewHawk
Lucas, TX
Member since Nov 2004
319 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 10:04 pm to
quote:

ETA: Searched the SECrant archives for thoughtful analysis of the Iowa and South Carolina Outback bowl, and the tigerdroppings archives for thoughtful Iowa - Georgia Tech Orange Bowl analysis, and it's like the comments have been grafted mysteriously into this thread, all these years later.


...and they were correct.

I'm not just posting shite to flame/troll, it's my genuine opinion. Laugh all you want, but I've been right about this stuff more than I've been wrong.

Don't worry, if I'm wrong I will be back to give you guys congrats and own up to being way off base.

I honestly see Iowa winning by eleven. If you guys have an issue with that, get over it.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23719 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 11:23 pm to
quote:

We live all across the country, and outnumber most in the SEC.


You should define that last comment. How do you figure you outnumber SEC schools? In total graduates? In fanbase? Considering your stadium would currently be the 11th largest in the SEC, I'd say you are a little off base if that's what you meant.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
67073 posts
Posted on 12/30/13 at 1:40 am to
quote:

Iowa is home to the world's best writing programs in both fiction and non-fiction.


So you are the number 1 barista program in the nation?

quote:

Would any other school in the top 15 for NFL player production be laughed at and called blatantly untalented? And Iowa fans are idiotic to take the least bit of umbrage?


1. Past talent doesn't show how talented you are this year.
2. Talent is relative you're top 15 were Top 1.
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7541 posts
Posted on 12/30/13 at 1:59 am to
I take it back. You weren't the Iowa fan making the accusation that Iowa had clear advantages at offensive line, defensive line, line backers, tight ends, and special teams. It was DesMoinesHawk.

Here's a question for you:
Do you think LSU or Iowa will have more yards on the ground by the end of the game?
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 12/30/13 at 2:46 am to
quote:

Dude, no I'm not. Neither is half of the Iowa fans on this board. We live all across the country, and outnumber most in the SEC.


I've lived across the US and am now living overseas. I've met more Kentucky fans outside of the Southeast than I've met Iowa fans. In my years in the military, I've only met maybe one Iowa fan. Maybe there are a lot more but they sure don't advertise it.
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