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TigahRag
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but he won FIVE national championships in that same time frame .. i think even LSU fans would accept that ..





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Redneck coaches, like Mac
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When we started hiring yankees
Like Bryant, Dooley, Fulmer, Spurrier?
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Mac went about a dozen years without beating Bama.
Because of Bama's yankee coach, no doubt






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Penrod
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I guess anyone who wasn't bear was not a good coach during that time period.


"Great" not "good". Learn to read, bencoleman.

Also, Charlie Mac was not a good coach, either. A good coach, by my thinking, would have maintained LSU in the top 15 with an SEC championship every six years or so. Now, "good" is a relative term, and perhaps your definition is very different from mine?






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RRTiger
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I remember early in the season things were going find, but other teams realized Trimble did not have a strong arm , and defended by daring Lsu to throw. There were other issues ofcourse but the offens struggled from then on. And the season went bad





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Penrod
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Like Bryant, Dooley, Fulmer, Spurrier?


Three of those were good southern coaches. I was thinking Meyer, Saban, Miles.

It's not that we don't have some good coaches down south, but clearly the cream of the crop comes from the north. Without those guys the SEC would still be a couple of good teams and a bunch of 1970's style LSU teams.






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Tiger Ugly
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It's not that we don't have some good coaches down south, but clearly the cream of the crop comes from the north. Without those guys the SEC would still be a couple of good teams and a bunch of 1970's style LSU teams.


I do thnk there was a trend in the 70's and 80's and even into the early 90's, to hire Bear Boys or Bear clones. The Pat Dye's, Danny Ford's, Curley, Stallings, Duboses' and on and on who with the thick aw shucks mumbling Southern drawls.

And I agree, only when schools realized they didn't have to resort to that coockie cutter model did the SEC truly emerge and become the undeniable best football conference in America.






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Also, Charlie Mac was not a good coach, either


What a dope. Change your name to Nimrod.






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vl100butch
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I really think the loss of Mike Miley really screwed things up and Mac wasn't flexible enough to adjust his offense...





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I-59 Tiger
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Cholly Mac was 8-9-1 versus the Rebs while at LSU, dropping his last four chances in a row (76-79) against mediocre Vaught-less Rebel squads.


Where do these cockroaches come from ? Just can't wait to knock LSU even if they have to make stuff up. This is just a flat out lie. LSU beat Ole Miss 45-0 in '76 after Ole Miss had beaten Alabama and SEC champ Georgia, beat Ole Miss in Jackson in 1977 on the same field Ole Miss beat eventual NC Notre Dame a month earlier, 30-8 in 1978 and then again in 1979.

BTW, in 1973 when Vaught came back after Ole Miss fired Billy Kinard, McClendon and LSU beat Ole Miss 51-14 in Jackson.






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secman12
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Some good info, thanks, some other things to consider, welcome any better info

Some say everyone knew Miley was going pro but Mac refused to believe until it was too late to get QB
As others have said, Macs issue was not beating ole miss, he beat them often and bad in 70's including 24-0 and 45-0 in 74 and 76 when LSU was very average.
Mac IMHO and from all I have heard(for what that's worth lol) was a good man and very good coach, not great. He won 70% of his games but could not beat Bama and no major bowls after 1973. I think the best summary is he was a good man who loved LSU and who did a lot of good things, and maybe just stayed a bit too long. Also he was very loyal, maybe to a fault to his assistants. Winning only one SeC is a major negative but this was also during time that as others have said, Bama was at their best and we were not.



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Tiger Ugly
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Some say everyone knew Miley was gong pro but Mac refused to belvie until it was too late to get QB
As others have said, Macs issue was not beating ole miss, he beat them often and bad in 70's including 24-0 and 45-0 in 74 and 76 when LSU was very average.
Mac IMHO and from all I have heard(for what that's worth lol) was a good man and very good coach, not great. He won 70% of his games but could not beat Bama and no major bowls after 1973. I think the best summary is he was a good man who loved LSU and who did a lot of good things, and maybe just stayed a bit too long. Also he was very loyal, maybe to a fault to his assistants. Winning only one SeC is a major negative but this was also during time that as others have said, Bama was at their best and we were not.


I think you hit the nail on the head secman12.

In today's climate he would not have made it past 75.






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and we got screwed against USC also





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vl100butch
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and we got screwed against USC also


AMEN!!!!!

I was there....will never forget that game...

time simply passed Mac by and he didn't change with it...






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matt314
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Anyone who saw Tulane slap LSU around in the Dome in '79 could figure out why Cholly had to go. It was 24-13 and could have been 44-13 if LSU hadn't battled like heck to keep it close. They were physically outmatched - by Tulane! That LSU team played with maximum effort for the old man that year but talent wins most of the time and LSU no longer had it. Mac was not getting the players and LSU should have made the move earlier. He was well liked in the profession though and given two extra years to finish up as president of the national coaches association. It was a nice move on LSU's part but it did not help the program which was going nowhere under Mac.

As far as the veer T was concerned Mac had almost been beaten with one of his best teams the year before by the Dietzel coached South Carolina team running the veer with QB Jeff Grantz. Grantz was a lesser imitation of Mike Miley. Mike would have been one of the best in the country as a SR. LSU had been completely befuddled by the offense and Mac became enamored with it. Scoring 16 pts total in the last three games, all losses with a shutout by Tulane, helped him make the decision. Unfortunately Miley went baseball. Billy Broussard became the #1 QB but he wasn't Miley and the veer didn't suit him. He and KO Trimble platooned all season and alternated botching option handoffs and fumbling when they weren't sending floating passes downfield. The RB's helped with the fumbles too. It was the "turned over" season and Mac went back to his old (really really old) O the next season.

The veer was just the catalyst though. The talent slide under Mac had already begun.



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tigerinridgeland
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But I think in the mid-70's, the game began to pass him by and he didn't adapt.


This seems to be about right (especially on the offensive side). During the latter period his record against teams with winning records was pretty mediocre to poor. It was the lack of success against good competition that seemed to generate a lot of the criticism.



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yes, same avatars. Awaiting NORs now. Good luck.





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miketiger
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LSU didn't have the offensive linemen to run the veer either. If I remember Billy Broussard was the quarterback after it was shown that Trimble couldn't throw a lick. It was a painful offense to watch.





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secman12
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One final thought, did a little research and found LSU fumbled 49 times in 1974, just an unreal stat and have to think Veer was a major part of this, still think Bear put wishbone in at Bama in one season (72?) and they did not misss a beat. I recall watching Trimble play and he was IMHO a 4-5 star type athlete, he just was not suited to be a QB in the veer. Have to credit Mac with trying to change, but it does not always work..think Lou Tepper in 90's on defense and the old run and shout that cost many a SWC coach jobs in the 1980's





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timm6971463
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re: Looking for help on why LSU fell off in 1974, Veer etc


Penrod you don'T know enough to comment on this subject !






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