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re: UPDATE: Info on possible Texas Coaching Search
Posted on 12/4/13 at 9:42 am to OrangeBlood
Posted on 12/4/13 at 9:42 am to OrangeBlood
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Briles is not leaving Baylor...at least for a Texas school. His new contract has a 20 million buyout for in-state schools, 5 million for out of state. Texas could pay it but they won't.
Who do the texas fans want the most? (not necessarily who you will get) I heard Briles a few months ago, but I'm sure you know better than I do.
This post was edited on 12/4/13 at 9:43 am
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 9:52 am to BCMCubs
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Hopefully they do the right thing and hire Ellis Johnson.
Having witnessed 1st hand the destruction he can cause, I'm pretty sure this won't happen.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 9:53 am to Icansee4miles
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$atin's enormous ego might cause him to consider going to pull his third storied program out of the dumpster to a BCSCG.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 9:54 am to Geauxlden Eagle
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Having witnessed 1st hand the destruction he can cause, I'm pretty sure this won't happen.
One can hope
Posted on 12/4/13 at 9:56 am to GEAUXmedic
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Who do the texas fans want the most? (not necessarily who you will get) I heard Briles a few months ago, but I'm sure you know better than I do.
Let's leave out the unwashed masses for a moment who still love Mack and will be shocked (maybe less so now that the "Mack is gone" narrative is getting out there) when he retires soon...because they don't count and fortunately the people who matter aren't in this group.
I would say the list is probably Saban, Briles (most don't realize the buyout is an impediment), Muschamp (yes, even with Florida's problems), and then someone like Fisher or Shaw. As you can imagine, the list is sort of a coach du jour, whoever had success last. Because of that Malzhan's name has come up (just on message boards, not with the decision makers).
I personally believe the following coaches could have great success at Texas: Saban, Shaw, Fisher, Briles, Anderson (at Wiscy), Mora Jr., Briles, O'Brian, John Harbaugh (I don't think he's that unrealistic of an option), and Muschamp, (but he's last on my list). These coaches would establish accountability and toughness in the program - which, frankly, are the two traits most lacking.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:01 am to GEAUXmedic
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Malzahn would be perfect... he realizes auburn isn't a final stop job
Maybe true....Malzahn has set the bar very high this season...if he can live up to it after this yr remains to be seen. I think he likes Auburn alot but I also think he saw how the fans and administration turned on Chizik within 2 yrs of winning a title. He has put together a remarkable season but now the pressure will be on to duplicate it yr in and yr out. They will be favored to win the SEC for sure next yr, so anything less than that could be looked on as a negative.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:04 am to Lee Chatelain
quote:quote:Well I can say that about every SEC school. I can name 2 coaches in recent history to do that.... Urben Meyer to Ohio St Steve Spurrier to Redskins .......so your point is dumb....because name the last "great" AU coach...Terry Bowden...maybe?
Really, how many former AU HC have left AU to take a better job ?
What Auburn coach in the last 50 years has left to take another coaching job, period, better or worse, college or pro?
None.
Chizik was fired. Tubberville was fired/resigned because of the bad year but did not leave for another coaching job. Bowden resigned after learning he would probably not be retained the following year. Dye resigned because of the NCAA investigation. Barfield was fired because he stunk. Jordan retired.
As for SEC coaches who left for another job. Saban to Miami, Spurrier to the Skins, Meyer to OSU, Franchionne to aTm, Kiffin to USC, and that is all within the last 10 years.
I am not saying to gus won't leave, or at least listen to an offer from Texas, but to say Auburn isn't a destination job is insane.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:09 am to GEAUXmedic
UT hates Briles and he will never be the coach at UT. In 2008, UT finished 3rd in the final BCS poll, behind Florida. The big reason for them finishing behind Florida was that Briles voted UT low in the coaches poll after UT pummeled Baylor. This allowed OU to go to the Big 12 title game (their higher BCS ranking broke the three-way tie between OU, UT and Texas Tech). If Briles had voted UT where they were supposed to be, UT would have gone to Big 12 title game and would have played Florida had they won the Big 12.
Take Briles off the UT list.
Take Briles off the UT list.
This post was edited on 12/4/13 at 10:10 am
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:09 am to MrBiriwa
quote:Solid post.
Maybe true....Malzahn has set the bar very high this season...if he can live up to it after this yr remains to be seen. I think he likes Auburn alot but I also think he saw how the fans and administration turned on Chizik within 2 yrs of winning a title. He has put together a remarkable season but now the pressure will be on to duplicate it yr in and yr out. They will be favored to win the SEC for sure next yr, so anything less than that could be looked on as a negative.
I don't think anyone who follows the sport seriously considers Gustav to be a proven commodity as an HC - most of all Gustav himself. That's one of the things I like most about him - he doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who is convinced of his own brilliance. Sharp contrast to Terry Bowden, who after stumbling into 20 wins to start his major college career was convinced he would be challenging Bryant's all-time win total in another 25 years or so.
And you're particularly right about Malzahn seing the how the fanbase/admins turned on Chiz - he had a front row seat as to why they did as well. That was the second time he saw how an SEC HC could lose control of a program and leave it in disarray, primarily because of their overinflated egos. I'm of the opinion that he won't do the same.
I simply don't see UTx, with all the resources at their disposal, would take a chance on someone like Gus at this time. Which is good for AU, at least in the short run.
This post was edited on 12/4/13 at 10:11 am
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:13 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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There is nothing Texas would offer Saban that would make us say "We won't match that for you."
This.
I don't get it when people say things like "durr well UT can outbid Bama." Please. Alabama boosters would loot their kids' college funds and rob banks to raise the funds to keep Saban around.
Alabama wants a winner. Texas wants a politician.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:15 am to Chicken
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UT hates Briles and he will never be the coach at UT. In 2008, UT finished 3rd in the final BCS poll, behind Florida. The big reason for them finishing behind Florida was that Briles voted UT low in the coaches poll after UT pummeled Baylor. This allowed OU to go to the Big 12 title game (their higher BCS ranking broke the three-way tie between OU, UT and Texas Tech). If Briles had voted UT where they were supposed to be, UT would have gone to Big 12 title game and would have played Florida had they won the Big 12.
I'll disagree a bit with this - it's true that Briles voted Texas 5th, but even if he would have voted Texas 1st, that would likely not been enough to put Texas over OU in the BCS poll (which was the tiebreaker for the Big12). Four other coaches also voted Texas 5th (of course, 4-5 voted Texas 1st as well, amazingly Mack voted us #2...thanks Mack!).
Yes, there are some butthurt fans still (stupid in my opinion) but that alone would not rule Briles out. If anything, the bad blood between Briles and the Texas program (mainly Mack) due to the treatment of Briles's son at Texas is more of a hindrance.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:17 am to OrangeBlood
Im sorry did i just read muschamps name as a canidate? Wtf?
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:23 am to beardedzeus
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Im sorry did i just read muschamps name as a canidate? Wtf?
Ha ha. Yes you did. There are some people who still love him here, no matter his failings at Florida. I think he's a good coach (maybe I should say good DC) but he's about 10th on my list. If Muschamp is the HC at Texas next year, we done f*cked up.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:24 am to OrangeBlood
quote:what I posted came from a well-connected alum...I am sure there are multiple reasons, but obviously the one I posted has made its rounds.
I'll disagree a bit with this - it's true that Briles voted Texas 5th, but even if he would have voted Texas 1st, that would likely not been enough to put Texas over OU in the BCS poll (which was the tiebreaker for the Big12). Four other coaches also voted Texas 5th (of course, 4-5 voted Texas 1st as well, amazingly Mack voted us #2...thanks Mack!).
Yes, there are some butthurt fans still (stupid in my opinion) but that alone would not rule Briles out. If anything, the bad blood between Briles and the Texas program (mainly Mack) due to the treatment of Briles's son at Texas is more of a hindrance.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:27 am to OrangeBlood
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Ha ha. Yes you did. There are some people who still love him here, no matter his failings at Florida. I think he's a good coach (maybe I should say good DC) but he's about 10th on my list. If Muschamp is the HC at Texas next year, we done f*cked up.
I think he's a brilliant defensive mind - cut from the Saban cloth and proven at several different schools - who can be a good head coach with the right OC hire and the right offensive philosophy. He just made a terrible splash hire with Weis, followed it up with a weak soup hire of Pease, and they couldn't ever develop a quarterback.
I'm not making excuses for him, and they're no great shakes this year even without all the injuries, but 4-8 wasn't entirely on him.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:28 am to Chicken
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what I posted came from a well-connected alum...I am sure there are multiple reasons, but obviously the one I posted has made its rounds.
It has - maybe I should clarify. To the extent someone is saying that's the only reason, I disagree. To the extent it is one of the reasons - the main one now being his buyout - then I'll agree.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:29 am to Feral
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I'm not making excuses for him, and they're no great shakes this year even without all the injuries, but 4-8 wasn't entirely on him.
Not that injuries are a valid excuse - but this Florida team has sustained an amount of injuries this year that is almost unbelievable.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:35 am to OrangeBlood
Injuries hurt them . No doubt. But no UF team should ever get blown out by vandy and lose to ga southern
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:49 am to Chicken
I don't see Saban leaving what he has built to start over again.
I also don't see Malzahn job hopping once again when he should have a much imrpoved team next season.
I could however see Texas taking a guy like Les Miles. Les has done an outstanding job at LSU, and the fans seem on the edge with him. If offered I could easily see Les making the move.
I also don't see Malzahn job hopping once again when he should have a much imrpoved team next season.
I could however see Texas taking a guy like Les Miles. Les has done an outstanding job at LSU, and the fans seem on the edge with him. If offered I could easily see Les making the move.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:49 am to Chicken
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