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Dr. Who - How many episodes until it is palatable?
Posted on 11/23/13 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 11/23/13 at 4:36 pm
I love Sherlock and decided to give Dr. Who a watch because it has 5 stars on Netflix. I watched the first episode (2005) and got through about 20 minutes before I fell asleep. What I saw though makes me believe I can't finish the episode. It was so bad.
What am I doing wrong? When does it get good?
What am I doing wrong? When does it get good?
Posted on 11/23/13 at 4:40 pm to MintBerry Crunch
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What am I doing wrong?
You have no taste.
Give it through "Empty Child"
This post was edited on 11/23/13 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 11/23/13 at 4:43 pm to MintBerry Crunch
I've heard you should start with season 5. Then, if you like it, go back and watch the other seasons.
Disclaimer, I have not tried this method, and I have had the same experience as you with the show.
Disclaimer, I have not tried this method, and I have had the same experience as you with the show.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 4:44 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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I've heard you should start with season 5. Then, if you like it, go back and watch the other seasons.
You will only hear this from hipster Who fans. Everyone has their own favorite Dr. Hipsters seem to like Matt Smith more than Tennant, and they like Moffatt over Davies (I agree on the latter).
This post was edited on 11/23/13 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 11/23/13 at 5:13 pm to MintBerry Crunch
I was a fan of the old series (and yes there are a lot of crap episodes and filler in there) but only found maybe... half or so of the new stuff entertaining. Found myself wanting to strangle most of his companions.
New series episodes I liked: Dalek, Father's Day, Tooth and Claw, Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel, Impossible Planet/Satan Pit, Gridlock, 42, Blink, Unicorn and the Wasp, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, Midnight, Stolen Earth/Journey's End, Waters of Mars, Beast Below, Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, God Complex, Town Called Mercy, Cold War, and Nightmare in Silver.
There's really no problem with watching episodes out of order as most are self-contained and the season-long story arcs are mostly in the background or, quite frankly, uninteresting and resolved in ludicrous ways.
I'd actually suggest Midnight for a new viewer. It doesn't really rely on any prior episodes nor give away any spoilers/events of them. All around good acting and a tight story that highlights what the show is about (when it's at its best): a super smart dude solving problems with his wits. It's also one of the darker episodes of the new series.
New series episodes I liked: Dalek, Father's Day, Tooth and Claw, Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel, Impossible Planet/Satan Pit, Gridlock, 42, Blink, Unicorn and the Wasp, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, Midnight, Stolen Earth/Journey's End, Waters of Mars, Beast Below, Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, God Complex, Town Called Mercy, Cold War, and Nightmare in Silver.
There's really no problem with watching episodes out of order as most are self-contained and the season-long story arcs are mostly in the background or, quite frankly, uninteresting and resolved in ludicrous ways.
I'd actually suggest Midnight for a new viewer. It doesn't really rely on any prior episodes nor give away any spoilers/events of them. All around good acting and a tight story that highlights what the show is about (when it's at its best): a super smart dude solving problems with his wits. It's also one of the darker episodes of the new series.
This post was edited on 11/23/13 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 11/23/13 at 5:18 pm to TN Bhoy
The reasons I heard for starting with 5 is bigger budget and longer story arcs. Again, I have no idea. I've tried a couple of the first season, and it just hasn't caught my interest. So, I probably shouldn't even be commenting.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 5:22 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
There really aren't any story arcs like you'd find in... Breaking Bad or Deep Space 9 towards the latter seasons. Usually it's just building up a big bad/situation for the season finale. I'd say season six is the only one where you'd be in danger of spoiling anything if you didn't watch it in order.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 5:42 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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longer story arcs
Nope.
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5 is bigger budget
This is true, but doesn't really mean much.
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I've tried a couple of the first season, and it just hasn't caught my interest. So, I probably shouldn't even be commenting.
I'd suggest "Blink"
Posted on 11/23/13 at 6:08 pm to TN Bhoy
Skip to Tennant. He is Dr Who.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 6:08 pm to TN Bhoy
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I'd suggest "Blink"
Yeah, just watch the Empty Child/Doctor Dances combo episode from the first season of the reboot, and then watch Blink from that particular Tennant season. If you don't like either episode then Doctor Who just isn't for you.
As far as the first episode of the reboot goes, it is indeed cheesy as hell, so it's not hard to see folks being bored with it.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 8:02 pm to auyushu
good, glad it wasnt just me.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 8:48 pm to MintBerry Crunch
First episode syndrome, every series suffers from it. It'll get better, and the series really picks up once Tennent becomes the Doctor.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 8:59 pm to smkspy
Actually if you're going in cold, watch episode 2 first, The End of the World. Much more high paced intro to the series.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:19 pm to Nimbus2000
People pick on Eccleston but I think his best episodes are easily as good as the best Tennant episodes. At least he didn't spend every episode waving the lazy stick for half the episode.
Heck, the best Tennant era episode is Blink which wasn't really a Dr episode.
As bad as the Tennant era was with the lazy stick, the Smith era took it to a whole new level.
I've loved Who since the early 80s and I almost can't stand it anymore because the writers are pure shite and Moffat has not remotely lived up to the promise of Blink & The Girl in the Fireplace.
Heck, I was thrilled to see Davies leave but now I long for him helming the show. Moffat is a better writer when that is all he is doing.
End rant...
Answer to the OP is watch one season. If you don't like it, it will only get worse and it will only cost you 12 hours of your life.
Heck, the best Tennant era episode is Blink which wasn't really a Dr episode.
As bad as the Tennant era was with the lazy stick, the Smith era took it to a whole new level.
I've loved Who since the early 80s and I almost can't stand it anymore because the writers are pure shite and Moffat has not remotely lived up to the promise of Blink & The Girl in the Fireplace.
Heck, I was thrilled to see Davies leave but now I long for him helming the show. Moffat is a better writer when that is all he is doing.
End rant...
Answer to the OP is watch one season. If you don't like it, it will only get worse and it will only cost you 12 hours of your life.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:28 pm to TigerMyth36
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the writers are pure shite and Moffat has not remotely lived up to the promise of Blink & The Girl in the Fireplace.
Heck, I was thrilled to see Davies leave but now I long for him helming the show. Moffat is a better writer when that is all he is doing.
Agreed. The Deus ex machina on the show has gotten out of control, and the lazy stick of bad writing was beyond silly a few seasons ago. There have been some nice strings of good episodes during the Smith run, but overall it's much worse than when Davies was helming it.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 12:39 pm to auyushu
Heck, I am still pissed at Moffat for pranking my arse in his first episode at the Helm.
Smith waves the sonic screwdrive over his head in the most ridiculous use to date and the thing blows up.
I was so fracking happy. I thought with that act, he realized the screwdriver was a lazy crutch and he was going to get rid of it.
Only to have the TARDIS create a new one at the end of the episode. He punked me. He punked me good and hard!
Smith waves the sonic screwdrive over his head in the most ridiculous use to date and the thing blows up.
I was so fracking happy. I thought with that act, he realized the screwdriver was a lazy crutch and he was going to get rid of it.
Only to have the TARDIS create a new one at the end of the episode. He punked me. He punked me good and hard!
Posted on 11/24/13 at 12:46 pm to MintBerry Crunch
I don't know man. I had a girlfriend in the early 90s who loved the old show. Don't know when the PBS playback was from at that time, I think it started in the 60s. But those old ones are incredibly bad.
I personally thought it was the worst TV show ever. I could not understand why she watched it. Beyond bad.
I hear a lot about it recently becoming good, probably has, but I cannot overcome those old ones I tried to watch, they've completely ruined me on the series. Maybe one day I'll start with the new Season 5 or something, but good lord they were so bad back then. I cannot even describe how stupid they were. Such bad acting and story lines, just everything was terrible.
I personally thought it was the worst TV show ever. I could not understand why she watched it. Beyond bad.
I hear a lot about it recently becoming good, probably has, but I cannot overcome those old ones I tried to watch, they've completely ruined me on the series. Maybe one day I'll start with the new Season 5 or something, but good lord they were so bad back then. I cannot even describe how stupid they were. Such bad acting and story lines, just everything was terrible.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 1:01 pm to HerbEaverstinks
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I don't know man. I had a girlfriend in the early 90s who loved the old show. Don't know when the PBS playback was from at that time, I think it started in the 60s. But those old ones are incredibly bad.
I personally thought it was the worst TV show ever. I could not understand why she watched it. Beyond bad.
I hear a lot about it recently becoming good, probably has, but I cannot overcome those old ones I tried to watch, they've completely ruined me on the series. Maybe one day I'll start with the new Season 5 or something, but good lord they were so bad back then. I cannot even describe how stupid they were. Such bad acting and story lines, just everything was terrible.
Thanks for making your opinion on this board completely invalid from now on.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 1:48 pm to auyushu
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Deus ex machina
This is the absolute worst. They write themselves into a corner with over-the-top scenarios with no hope of resolution and then spend about a minute on a half-assed solution: Rose atomizes an entire dalek fleet, oh they're covered in void pellets so they get sucked back in, everyone claps their hands and the Doctor transforms from dwarf to angel and smites the Master with godlike powers, and the ever popular 'oh I can just remind myself to go back in time and start some solution a few hundred years ago so it'll be ready when I need it right now!'
The best episodes are always the ones that have simple/contained stories. The other stuff is over-the-top fanwank.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 2:35 pm to Unknown_Poster
This is why i prefer the Early years. The effects stunk but most of the time the story was written much better and it wasn't about galactic destruction every GD episode.
Giving the master super powers and the ability to FLY was just about the dumbest thing in the entire history of the show yet they topped themselves by having the doctor jump out of a moving spaceship and crash through a glass ceiling without injury.
Giving the master super powers and the ability to FLY was just about the dumbest thing in the entire history of the show yet they topped themselves by having the doctor jump out of a moving spaceship and crash through a glass ceiling without injury.
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