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LSUfan4444
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Players will want to stop playing for him if he loses this week. I know this because i read the rant.





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ballscaster
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Miles does not equal LSU
In a discussion of college football coaches, he does.

Also, it is obvious that you didn't go to LSU. You're a sidewalk negatiger who can't even count. Don't troll my school, kid. Shut the frick up.






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theunknownknight
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Well, then we disagree. Lee was a turnover waiting to happen. The lights were too big for him in that game; he was shell shocked. Miles made the right call. I don't think we beat Alabama with Lee at quarterback during the regular season and we have one less SEC championship for it.


You missed my point. Lee would have played much better had JJ never been brought back on the team.

The day JJ came back was the day Lee knew he was going to lose his starting job. Lee was the held to the highest of standards BEFORE the Bama game.

I think Lee plays better against Bama in 2011 had JJ not been staring over his shoulder with Miles looking for any excuse to bench Lee for the REST OF THE SEASON.






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Datbayoubengal
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It's who he loses to and how he loses! It's his clock management skills! It's underperforming against lesser competition, Tennessee 2010 classic example of poor clock management and underperforming against lesser competition. It's running option right a million times against Bama 1/9/12, emberassing the crap out of the program on the biggest stage. It's letting Lee stand on the sideline with his helmet on warming up the whole 2nd half of that game, believing he was gonna get a fair opportunity to play because JJ was a cluster frick in that game. This and much more is why half the fan base doesn't like him.


Bama needed our QB and leading RB to go out before the fourth quarter to beat us. They needed our top corners to go out with cramps to make the one big play that put the game away. They needed the refs to deliberately cheat us multiple times to even have a chance of winning. They needed a last second blocked FG to beat Tennessee 12-10 AT THEIR OWN HOUSE! Auburn was up 21-20 with 1:30 left on the clock Bama scored and Auburn was driving and ended up at the Bama 37 to end it.

In 2011, Oklahoma St wins in double OT and game over for Bama's season, and LSU hoists its second in 4 years. The media played a large role in Bama getting their second chance. I have never seen a team win a rematch game in CFB for a while before Clemson 2011 and if they do, it is extremely rare. (YES I AM BUTTHURT)

In 2012 Prevent Chavis prevents us again from keeping a team from last drive scoring and Miles tricker-ration, tricked us right out of a win. They lost against TAMU AT HOME, and then others had to fall yet again when they had they championship berth in the bag. Five yards away from losing yet again against UGA.

They are still arguably the best team every year but they are extremely blessed by the football Gods. Sure LSU had a incredibly lucky break in 07 but that doesn't beat lucky breaks, media bias, and refs (09) for 3 out of the past four years. This extreme amount of luck has to have a double edge right?






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DamnStrong1860
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So you're admitted Miles did not improve, but in fact, regressed. That's all I wanted to hear. You can throw the "Saban has improved" argument as a defense for Miles out now.


No interest in participating in that dumb arse argument. I keep pointing out to you that while Miles is not better Saban (a) neither is anyone else and (b) there are still not many people better than Miles. There's only two guys in coaching who I know for certain would do a better job than Miles. Anyone besides Saban and Meyer and you're just rolling the dice. The man is flawed, we all know that. And sunshine pumper who doesn't admit it is full if it. But to look at his record and say he's not a good coach is dumb.






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EarthwormJim
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Lee would have played much better had JJ never been brought back on the team. The day JJ came back was the day Lee knew he was going to lose his starting job.


Why do you guys even try to argue with someone who makes retarded posts like this?






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ballscaster
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re: LES MILES = Bobby Bowden of the SEC


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Why do you guys even try to argue with someone who makes retarded posts like this?
Yeah, I just checked out the post history. Not pretty.






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dos crystal
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Hes damn strong football coach - Ummm.. I dont think so. But thanks for playing.. 2 out of 3 aint bad




The man has a team that averages 10 wins a season, wins one NC, and played for another. All because of a few close losses each year people think he is an idiot. Is he the best coach in the country? Maybe not, but he is pretty darn good.







He will be a Hall of Fame coach when it is all said and done.

a dumbass not thinking he's a damn strong coach is, well, a dumbass. You can't argue with a dumbass. they don't know they are a dumbass. that's the difficult thing about dumbasses, they don't know when they sound like a dumbass. They will just keep making dumbass remarks.






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theunknownknight
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In a discussion of college football coaches, he does.


No...you see...it still doesn't equal. Nothing you can say will change reality.

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Also, it is obvious that you didn't go to LSU. You're a sidewalk negatiger who can't even count. Don't troll my school, kid


Well, now you've gone off and made yourself look like a idiot considering several people on this board know me IRL. Congrats on that I guess.






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GeauxTigerTM
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2004 was a season following NFL departures after his first National Title. He was 9-3 that season.


This is why we can't have an honest discussion about these things. Saban gets the benefit of the doubt Miles is not afforded. But I'll play anyway...

In 2004, we were told that NFL departures were a GOOD thing, because it helped recruit better players. when Saban said this, we listened and accepted that. In 2013 when we look at all the guys that departed early for the NFL and Miles talks about that as a positive, we have fans that BLAME HIM for the departures and suggest that he's not doing his job keeping them in house!! Instead of pointing out that even MORE guys left, meaning we had recruited better, etc it's suddenly a negative. Typical.

In 2004, the team played down to Oregon St, lost a game they should not have to AU, got absolutely destroyed by UGA, played a 24-20 game with TROY, etc. All of these things were brushed aside in 2004...because we were so desperate not to lose Saban to one of the myriad of NFL teams his agent was constantly courting. Today, these things are hung around Les Miles neck.

The fact is, Miles' lives under a different set of standards than Saban did while here. You pint to the 9-4 record, while brushing past HOW the team lost those 4 games. You also brush past how they squeaked by lesser teams. however, if I was to bring up 2006 as an outstanding season, some asshat would point to how "it should have been" 12-0 if not for such and such Miles supposedly did to frick it all up. It's the very definition of a double standard.

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I guess if 9-3 seasons taint Saban's legacy at LSU so much...can you explain how Miles had a 3 loss season last year in his EIGTH season here?


I never suggested it tainted anything, so I have no reason to answer a question where you put words in my mouth. I simply pointed out that while exceptional at LSU, Saban was never as perfect as far too many love lorn LSU fans seem to recall him being.






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ballscaster
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He will be a Hall of Fame coach when it is all said and done.
True. He's the most successful LSU coach of all time, and no one can post any stats that suggest otherwise.



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Fwiw Saban had LSU locked and loaded when he left. Think of the talent on 2005-2007. 2006 should've been a NC.





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theunknownknight
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This is why we can't have an honest discussion about these things. Saban gets the benefit of the doubt Miles is not afforded. But I'll play anyway...


Honest discussion? That's what I'm trying to have. People attack Saban to defend Miles...not realizing that attack hurts Miles worse.

I see this over and over. There is no need to attack Saban. That's my point. Every time a pumper does this, it makes the said pumper look like a tard.

I'm just trying to help ya'll. I'm trying to prevent y'all from embarrassing yourselves.






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PacWilly
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The day JJ came back was the day Lee knew he was going to lose his starting job. Lee was the held to the highest of standards BEFORE the Bama game. I think Lee plays better against Bama in 2011 had JJ not been staring over his shoulder with Miles looking for any excuse to bench Lee for the REST OF THE SEASON.


You are a much better psychologist than I am. You do realize that you are basing your assessment of Les Miles' coaching decisions that resulted in an undefeated season, in which we reached a championship game, by what you perceive to have been going on in Lee's head...Well, I can't argue with this.

Here's what happened...Lee was crapping the bed. We would have lost. He inserted JJ. We won a very conservative, defensive game on the road. That's what actually happened. I'll go with this.






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theunknownknight
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Here's what happened...Lee was crapping the bed. We would have lost. He inserted JJ. We won a very conservative, defensive game on the road. That's what actually happened. I'll go with this.


Ok....

Now explain 01/09/12...






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GeauxTigerTM
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People attack Saban to defend Miles.


Again...it's impossible to have an honest discussion with you because you spend most of your time tossing out strawmen arguments.

At no point have I attacked Saban. I've simply pointed out that while at LSU he was human. He made mistakes. His teams stumbled, etc. None of that is debatable and in no way is it an attack. It's setting the record straight.

I also tire with the notion of having to argue with "what if" as if any of you have a crystal ball and can tell us with certainly what would have happened if... Other than it being the same coach, there is absolutely no reason to assume, other than blind faith, that Saban would have/could have been as successful long term as LSU's coach as he has been at an entirely different situation in BAMA.

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I'm just trying to help ya'll. I'm trying to prevent y'all from embarrassing yourselves.


You can kindly go frick yourself with a chainsaw.






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PacWilly
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Now explain 01/09/12...



I did. In my post above. I'll copy again for you.

"...the 2011 undefeated season was a masterpiece of coaching. We lost in the championship game that year to a better team on that day. There was no coaching that would have changed the outcome of that game (including trying a different quarterback)."

We didn't have a quarterback on the team to win that game with the way Alabama was playing. I can accept this without automatically blaming Miles and attributing this to him as a failure of a HC that needs to be fired. We lost to a better team that day. It was ugly. It happens.

People don't give Miles the credit he deserves for the 2007 championship win. I was there. After OSU went up early, Miles was the reason we kept our heads in the game. I saw him during timeouts talking to Flynn and the offense telling them to settle down and play their game. He knew that once they solved Wells, it was checkmate.

Too many people think coaching is black and white. I'm not here saying Miles is the best, but he is very good overall (even with his brain farts). There are not many out there that could have done what he's done without flaming out.

Last minute edit...Oh, BTW. After we beat OSU. The fans were not chanting "L.S.U." as the team was celebrating on the field. They were chanting "Les Miles".



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theunknownknight
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We lost in the championship game


Because

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We didn't have a quarterback on the team to win that game


Except we DID have another QB...on the sidelines...that was NEVER given a chance on 01/09/12 even though we scored exactly ZERO points, never crossed the 50, and lost by THREE touchdowns.

Why was he so quick to bench Lee, but never benched an obviously under performing QB in JJ just to TRY something?

That's why 2011 was not a

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masterpiece of coaching






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TigerDat
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quote: Here's what happened...Lee was crapping the bed. We would have lost. He inserted JJ. We won a very conservative, defensive game on the road. That's what actually happened. I'll go with this. Ok.... Now explain 01/09/12...



Simple. The way JJ was running for his life with the lack of push up front. Les knew as anyone who watched JLee that it was take the chance of a scramble leading to sonething or have Lee crushed.

If you can name me one coach near as good as Saban then you win.






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Domingo Ayala
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you're dumb.





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