re: Stainless 1911 and 12g tactical shotgun for under 700?

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Glock seems to be doing ok nevertheless.

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I hope so -- I carry one 24/7.

I don't consider Glocks to be "lower end" self defense firearms. They fall in the price range that one would pay for an M&P, some newer domestic SIGS, some Berettas, or even an XD. But price isn't the only determinent.

I'd be perfectly confortable with a $250 Glock or M&P for self defense (assuming I'd have a chance to inspect it).

I consider Turkish & Philipino defensive handguns (and plenty of domestic handguns, such as Kel-Tecs) to be in the "lower end" category. irrespective of price.