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Spoke with an NFL scout regarding early departures today.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 5:47 pm
I have a very good friend 15+ years that is an NFL scout here on the west coast. I am not about to name names or even team because I don't want this coming back to him in anyway because he told me things he doesn't want associated with his name. He is a good friend and I am going to respect that. So take this anyway you want, I don't really care just trying to bring some perspective to the board from someone who lives it.
After hearing about Montgomery, I called to ask him what are his and "the general perception" of the players coming out of LSU last year. He stated emphatically that around the circles in the NFL last years draft out of LSU is disappointing except for the few that were expected and projected to make an impact. He had high praise for Reid, Mingo & Mathieu and said Logan you could go either way but he puts it in the should have stayed another year.
The rest of the early entrants "including Minter" he said it would have been better if they would have stayed in school. He literally feels that each individual would have bettered their position at the end of this season including the un-drafted free agents.
He also stated that if it were his kid, relative or friend and they asked his advice "unless their position is RB" and they are an underclassmen, if they are NOT projected to go in the top 2 rounds he would do everything in his power to convince them to play out their eligibility. He did say there are exceptions to the rule and that is a generalization but it applies to 90% of the early entrants. He also stated that sports agents are absolutely killing some of these kids futures "and he did put blame on scouts also."
He went through the advantages of why to stay if your not a 1st our 2nd rounder, most of them are obvious but the one he harped on is continued game experience and knowledge of the game a simple statement he made was "the more you see, the smarter you get playing the game." He could not emphasize enough with the complexity of offenses and defenses now a days being a smart football player has almost as much to do with it as being a physical football player. Again he said that is a generalization and their are exceptions to everything, but knowledge of the game through experience is huge.
I won't bore you any further because most of this stuff is pretty apparent but hopefully Miles uses the disappointment from last years draft class so far in the NFL as incentive for the underclassmen to stay in school, both for the player and the school. I truly can't even imagine what the team would be like this year if the defense had not have been decimated from all the early departure that he felt should have stayed. He named Minter, Logan, Montgomery & Simon specifically. Again those are his opinions but he says that is pretty much the general thought around the league within the scouts.
After hearing about Montgomery, I called to ask him what are his and "the general perception" of the players coming out of LSU last year. He stated emphatically that around the circles in the NFL last years draft out of LSU is disappointing except for the few that were expected and projected to make an impact. He had high praise for Reid, Mingo & Mathieu and said Logan you could go either way but he puts it in the should have stayed another year.
The rest of the early entrants "including Minter" he said it would have been better if they would have stayed in school. He literally feels that each individual would have bettered their position at the end of this season including the un-drafted free agents.
He also stated that if it were his kid, relative or friend and they asked his advice "unless their position is RB" and they are an underclassmen, if they are NOT projected to go in the top 2 rounds he would do everything in his power to convince them to play out their eligibility. He did say there are exceptions to the rule and that is a generalization but it applies to 90% of the early entrants. He also stated that sports agents are absolutely killing some of these kids futures "and he did put blame on scouts also."
He went through the advantages of why to stay if your not a 1st our 2nd rounder, most of them are obvious but the one he harped on is continued game experience and knowledge of the game a simple statement he made was "the more you see, the smarter you get playing the game." He could not emphasize enough with the complexity of offenses and defenses now a days being a smart football player has almost as much to do with it as being a physical football player. Again he said that is a generalization and their are exceptions to everything, but knowledge of the game through experience is huge.
I won't bore you any further because most of this stuff is pretty apparent but hopefully Miles uses the disappointment from last years draft class so far in the NFL as incentive for the underclassmen to stay in school, both for the player and the school. I truly can't even imagine what the team would be like this year if the defense had not have been decimated from all the early departure that he felt should have stayed. He named Minter, Logan, Montgomery & Simon specifically. Again those are his opinions but he says that is pretty much the general thought around the league within the scouts.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 5:50 pm to Dudebro2
Sucks. If we just keep Minter things are much different
Posted on 10/21/13 at 5:50 pm to Dudebro2
Thanks for that info dudebro.
What does he think about the juniors on the team now especially Welter?
What does he think about the juniors on the team now especially Welter?
Posted on 10/21/13 at 5:51 pm to Dudebro2
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He stated emphatically that around the circles in the NFL last years draft out of LSU is disappointing except for the few that were expected and projected to make an impact
So they're disappointed in guys they didn't expect anything from.
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He also stated that if it were his kid, relative or friend and they asked his advice "unless their position is RB" and they are an underclassmen, if they are projected to go in the top 2 rounds he would do everything in his power to convince play out their eligibility.
That itself is probably a much different situation than most of these guys.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 5:53 pm to Dudebro2
you crack me up
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that around the circles in the NFL last years draft out of LSU is disappointing except for the few that were expected and projected to make an impact. He had high praise for Reid, Mingo & Mathieu and said Logan you could go either way but he puts it in the should have stayed another year.
so except for 4 defenders drafted, the draft was a disappointment. Read that again. Minter already graduated and was drafted 45th overall. He's making good money
Simon broke his foot....
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 5:55 pm to Dudebro2
The things he said are obvious to anyone with a TV. Wtf am I missing?
Posted on 10/21/13 at 5:57 pm to Dudebro2
Unfortunately alot of these kids don't care when someone starts flashing $$$$$ at them
Posted on 10/21/13 at 5:59 pm to Dudebro2
A lot of that makes sense espeically from a scout's point of view. But it is no skin off his nose if a guy gets hurt for example. He also might not play as well and drop in the draft. A lot kids come from poor back grounds, staying in school is 1 year less of earnings. If you go back you'd have to move way up, make more than double for it to be worth the opprotunity cost of not getting paid this year.
Another thing I think that is over looked is half of the early entrants were 4 year players that had red shirted. Of Minter, Logan, Montgomery & Simon, all but Simon where 4 year players. Minter had already graduated it is doubtful he could have played better and he was a 2nd round pick anyway. Maybe he could improved with an extra year and maybe he blows out a knee, but he already has a degree so even if he does flame out in the NFL, he's covered there.
Another thing I think that is over looked is half of the early entrants were 4 year players that had red shirted. Of Minter, Logan, Montgomery & Simon, all but Simon where 4 year players. Minter had already graduated it is doubtful he could have played better and he was a 2nd round pick anyway. Maybe he could improved with an extra year and maybe he blows out a knee, but he already has a degree so even if he does flame out in the NFL, he's covered there.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 6:00 pm to Dudebro2
Thanks for sharing. It's basically what it looks like from a fan perspective, but it's good to here the scouts don't have a totally different view. I will always wonder what happened to make all those guys bolt.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 6:02 pm to Dudebro2
So your friend the "scout" knows what all LSU fans have known. Thanks
Posted on 10/21/13 at 6:08 pm to Dudebro2
Good players in good programs only leave if they are drafted in first 2 rounds. In some cases (when the players is from a family with good education) they may not leave even when they are in top 5.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 6:09 pm to Dudebro2
true,,,but if you are a kid....and u can get in the league and play for the minimum,,,vice being in school playing and risking injury for no pay....most kids are gonna jump.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 6:11 pm to Dudebro2
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"unless their position is RB" and they are an underclassmen, if they are NOT projected to go in the top 2 rounds he would do everything in his power to convince play out their eligibility.
This is what the LSU coaching staff needs to do.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 7:11 pm to Dudebro2
These kids usually won't listen to reason so I doubt that anything short of some serious parental control would keep most of them in school.
How many of these kids have a mother and father who can help them to make the best decision? How many parents are telling the kids to pass on 3rd round money? If you were in that situation and told your kid to stay in school...Would he listen?
How many of these kids have a mother and father who can help them to make the best decision? How many parents are telling the kids to pass on 3rd round money? If you were in that situation and told your kid to stay in school...Would he listen?
Posted on 10/21/13 at 7:17 pm to Dudebro2
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He also stated that sports agents are absolutely killing some of these kids futures "and he did put blame on scouts also."
Folks are blaming Les Miles and John Chavis for the loss to Ole Miss, but IMO most of the blame should be laid at the feet of the NFL, and the NCAA. Okay...I hear the howls and the screams but fact is LSU lost a lot of experience and talent on the defense side and it showed. In the end it was the defense that was gassed out. Great teams figure ways to win, and sure Mett was struggling but dang it....those offensive guys [including Mett] brought LSU back to the brink of a win. In the end the loss of Mingo, Montgomery, and Minter, etal really hurt. IMO, you can't put all the blame 'The Chief' for this loss, or CLM. Without a doubt LSU has a great coaching staff. The Freak and Ego played their hearts out, but in the end they were gassed.
Until the NCAA puts a lid on the NFL dangling money in the face of these young players, losses like last Saturday will be repeated at LSU and across the SEC. That is unless you're Alabama.
Spoke to a graduate of a major SEC University [School of Engineering] yesterday after Church He graudated, believe it was around 67. I was complaining about LSU's loss, and he said money has taken over the game. I agreed. Believe he said six of the offensive lineman on this major SEC football team in his senior year stayed the full four years of their athletic scholarship and graduated with a degree in Engineering. I thought that's what these football athletic scholarships were for...to help a young man [or young woman] get a quality education at a great institution?
IMO the NCAA is the NFL's bitch. And that's putting it lightly.
Have a Nice Day!!
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 9:10 pm to Dudebro2
My opinion, call me crazy, but OBJ is NOT NFL-ready. He should return. Yes, he's incredibly talented. Yes, if he comes out next yr he'll probably be a first round pick. But honestly? I don't see him physically ready for the pounding he'll get in the NFL.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 9:14 pm to Dudebro2
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He did say there are exceptions to the rule and that is a generalization but it applies to 90% of the early entrants.
Would having kids to feed, failing out of school, being kicked off the team, or graduating early qualify as an exception to the rule??
Posted on 10/21/13 at 9:26 pm to Dudebro2
Thanks for that information, Dudebro, Hopefully as you mentioned, Miles will use the mostly disappointing results of those you mentioned to keep a lot of the juniors around for another year.
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