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Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:01 pm to Da Hammer
The gun is in immaculate shape IMO. Stock and fore arm in good shape a small scratch on the forearm are all I can find for defects.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:04 pm to Da Hammer
Minimum of 15k... The guns made now are a higher grade than the gun you have. You said it is a skeet?
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Production from 1931–1959
Model 21 grades at this time were chambered in 12, 16 and 20 gauge. .410 bore was offered in Custom Grade only and is extremely rare only exceeded by the sparse(8 known) 28 gauge guns produced. Barrel lengths were offered from 26 inches to 32 inches. The undersides of the trigger plates were typically stamped with the name of the grade.[4]
-Standard- This grade included barrels with a matte or vented rib, select grade walnut stocks featured in a straight or pistol grip configuration.
-Tournament- Produced from 1933–1944. Identical to the standard grade except with the trigger plate being stamped "TOURNAMENT."
-Trap- A higher grade tournament gun with higher quality wood and a stock made to a customers dimensions. The trigger plate is marked "TRAP."
-Skeet- Identical to Trap grade, but available in 28 gauge (8 known to exist). The trigger plate marked as "SKEET."
-Duck/Magnum- These grades were offered with features found in the Standard grade. The Duck variant built from 1940-1952, was chambered only for 12 gauge 3 inch shells and featured the trigger plate marked "DUCK." The Magnum version was offered from 1953–1959 in both 12 and 20 gauge, with 3 inch chambers. This Magnum grade featured no trigger plate markings.
-Custom/Deluxe- This particular grade included a stock which was custom fit to the customer. The top rib was marked "CUSTOM BUILT" and the bottom trigger plate was marked "DELUXE."
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:06 pm to Da Hammer
Not the dings in the wood, the quality of the wood... High figured walnut is very desirable and raises the price considerably. Got a picture of the stock?
I think the best thing to do is to order a factory letter that I posted on the prior page and then go from there...
I think the best thing to do is to order a factory letter that I posted on the prior page and then go from there...
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:08 pm to wickowick
I already have the paperwork in motion to get from Winchester, also have the family looking for original purchase documents. My thinking is it came from the custom shop at the end of its production as the barrels are parkerized and set up for steel shot.
The wood is walnut.
The wood is walnut.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:08 pm to wickowick
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The guns made now are a higher grade than the gun you have.
But are the new guns 'really' Winchesters?
OP, all Model 21s are valuable.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:09 pm to weagle99
The gun says tournament on it not skeet.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:10 pm to Da Hammer
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Winchester
Winchester is effectively a dead company these days. All of the records are at the Cody Museum IIRC.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:11 pm to weagle99
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But are the new guns 'really' Winchesters?
Yes,licensed by Winchester to CSMC...
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:13 pm to Da Hammer
Custom Shop Production 1960–1991
Model 21 grades were offered in 12, 16, 20, 28 gauge and .410 bore with 16 gauge being the rarest. Barrels were produced in lengths from 26 inches to 32 inches. Select engraved models were available in 6 different patterns, with a higher number indicating more embellished engraving.[5]
- Custom Grade- Grade includes a matte center rib, a choice of a straight or pistol grip stock with fancy walnut and a checkered stock with matching forend.
- Pigeon Grade- Identical to the above but this grade offers a matte or ventilated center rib, a higher quality stock with custom leather recoil pad, matching forend, and a gold engraved pistol grip cap. The receiver was engraved with the number 6 pattern. This grade was dropped in 1982
- Grand American- Identical to the Pigeon grade, except the receiver was engraved with in the number 6 pattern with gold inlays. This grade was shipped with one extra set of barrels of the same gauge and forend in its own leather trunk case.
- Grand American Small Gauge- Offered starting in 1982, the firearm was shipped with both a 28 gauge and .410 bore barrel set, with matching forends.
Model 21 grades were offered in 12, 16, 20, 28 gauge and .410 bore with 16 gauge being the rarest. Barrels were produced in lengths from 26 inches to 32 inches. Select engraved models were available in 6 different patterns, with a higher number indicating more embellished engraving.[5]
- Custom Grade- Grade includes a matte center rib, a choice of a straight or pistol grip stock with fancy walnut and a checkered stock with matching forend.
- Pigeon Grade- Identical to the above but this grade offers a matte or ventilated center rib, a higher quality stock with custom leather recoil pad, matching forend, and a gold engraved pistol grip cap. The receiver was engraved with the number 6 pattern. This grade was dropped in 1982
- Grand American- Identical to the Pigeon grade, except the receiver was engraved with in the number 6 pattern with gold inlays. This grade was shipped with one extra set of barrels of the same gauge and forend in its own leather trunk case.
- Grand American Small Gauge- Offered starting in 1982, the firearm was shipped with both a 28 gauge and .410 bore barrel set, with matching forends.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:13 pm to wickowick
CSMC makes some NICE stuff.
It just seems to be rather convoluted situation on the new guns since Winchester is just another brand of FN with no real plant in existence.
It just seems to be rather convoluted situation on the new guns since Winchester is just another brand of FN with no real plant in existence.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:16 pm to weagle99
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CSMC makes some NICE stuff.
Yes they do. I really want a D grade Fox, perhaps one day. Still kicking myself for passing on the promotion prices of Inverness O/U. I have one of the Launch Edition RBLs
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:17 pm to oleyeller
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Post pics and any other markings on the gun You are talking anywhere from $2,500 to $25,000
he is now re-thinking giving the money
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:18 pm to weagle99
SN is 3681. Seems to me that would indicate an earlier gun, however how would parkerized barrels for steel shot be made in the 50's? Doesn't make sense to me at all.
If I need to take more pictures I can, however think I need paperwork, but the further I dig the more confused I get. There isn't any engraving on it at all.
If I need to take more pictures I can, however think I need paperwork, but the further I dig the more confused I get. There isn't any engraving on it at all.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:22 pm to Da Hammer
Another question.....
Is it possible to get new barrels on an older gun and have the serial number stamped on those barrels? If that's possible the gun could be very old?
Is it possible to get new barrels on an older gun and have the serial number stamped on those barrels? If that's possible the gun could be very old?
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:22 pm to Da Hammer
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:22 pm to Da Hammer
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however think I need paperwork
Yep then you will know how it left the factory. I am thinking in the 50's with the beaver tail forearm.
After you get the letter then you can bring the info and pics to Double Gun Shop or search the auction sites for an appropriate value.
My guess is $4500...
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:26 pm to Da Hammer
How long are the barrels? Ejectors or extractors?
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:30 pm to weagle99
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Here is a Tournament grade, a little different from the OP's gun, listed for $9,000.
That gun has much nicer (and refinished if not replaced wood) and 30" barrels, that is pushing that price higher...
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