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HortensePowdermaker
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fter defeating George Foreman for the heavyweight title in Zaire, Muhammad Ali returned to the United States where he was asked by a reporter, “Champ, what did you think of Africa?” Ali replied, “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”

"Ali’s point was that although the institution of slavery was oppressive for the slaves, paradoxically it benefited their descendants because slavery was the transmission belt that brought African-Americans into the orbit of Western freedom"


The very same Muhammad Ali who refused to go fight in Vietnam because "my mom over in Louisville ain't even free", so why should he fight for some foreigners' freedom (or trust the United States' claims about those foreigner).






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Dark Tiger
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LongueCarabine
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Never gonna get past it, huh?

LC






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TerryDawg03
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Does anyone feel a little weird about visiting Nottaway and all the other plantations around? The presentations at these places tend to celebrate the lifestyle and grandeur of the people who lived there while mostly ignoring the horrific crimes against humanity that were committed there.


Politically, this could be one of those lose-lose situations for whites. If you visit the plantations, you could be accused of "celebrating the lifestyle" that enabled slavery. On the other hand, if plantations weren't open to the public, people could be accused of trying to ignore the past.

History is history. Be thankful people choose to acknowledge it and not ignore it, because "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," right?






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redandright
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Slavery was a fact of life. No trying to sugar coat it.

But then, Louisiana had different laws about slavery.

At one time the largest slave owner was a "Free Woman of Color". She was in N. La.

Our laws were different in La. If a man acknowledged a child of his as his own, even if by a woman of color that child was entitled to an equal share of his property.

When La. was absorbed into the Union, it became more like the rest of the US, and that combined with the fear of slave rebellion, made La. more strict with it's treatment of slaves.

But the predominance of mixed race people who owned slaves and land, in La., cannot be ignored.

Take a look at Zulu. Those people are prosperous, because they are descendants of white men who fathered children by black women.

La. also had laws that "protected" slaves from abuse.

Would I rather be a slave than a white in Ante Bellum La? No, but it's not so cut and dry, as it might be in other parts of the South.

If you want to see a realistic treatment of slavery, and plantation life in La., visit Magnolia Mound Plantation in BR.

It gives an unvarnished portrayal of life in slave holding La. Warts and all.






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onmymedicalgrind
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For some people, it's easier to pretend things have never changed so that they can justify their own inability to adapt.



This cuts both ways. Sure, there are alot of black people who would fit this description. But there are also alot of white people (many of them posted in this thread) who would rather pretend certain things (i.e. slavery) never happened (or at least try to downplay it or somewhat rationalize it) and ignore a very real and dark part of our nation's history. Both sides can stand to grow a little bit here.






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onmymedicalgrind
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I hereby nominate this term as the silliest, most overused phrase on the Poliboard.

Seconded.






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onmymedicalgrind
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Never gonna get past it, huh?

The fall back poliboard response whenever the subject is slavery.






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sugar71
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The very same Muhammad Ali who refused to go fight in Vietnam because "my mom over in Louisville ain't even free", so why should he fight for some foreigners' freedom (or trust the United States' claims about those foreigner).


Ali popping off at the mouth speaks for his slave forefathers who had to endure the Middle Passage on 'that boat'?

Chained & packed like sardines In the bottom of a 100 degree plus 'boat' , the stench of dead/rotting slaves chained to you, feces, urine, vomit ,Menstrual blood,etc....

After the 1 month 'luxury cruise on 'that boat' to be auctioned off like cattle, stripped of any memories of your culture, worked from sun up to sun down, loved ones raped, sold , always under the threat of death/lash,etc......... For generations.


I would say Ali's forefathers would give up his ticket on 'that boat' to avoid the ensuing atrocities. I doubt if ANYONE seriously thinks that's a reasonable trade off for one's Great Great Grand children to have a better CHANCE at material prosperity.


Will the Poli board start to quote the Philosophical musings of Floyd Mayweather, Jr next on the subject?











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onmymedicalgrind
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Will the Poli board start to quote the Philosophical musings of Floyd Mayweather, Jr next on the subject?

I'll start us off:

"In the end, you have to protect yourself at all times."

Somewhat relevant, no?






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LongueCarabine
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The fall back poliboard response whenever the subject is slavery.


You tell me where it ends. How much is enough?

LC






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onmymedicalgrind
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You tell me where it ends. How much is enough?

Where what ends? How much of what is enough? I'm not trying to be cute, I'm really not sure what you are asking here.






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HortensePowdermaker
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Where what ends? How much of what is enough? I'm not trying to be cute, I'm really not sure what you are asking here.


He doesn't know either. Of course I'm sure he'd be happy to talk about WWII vets for hours on end.






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LongueCarabine
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Where what ends? How much of what is enough? I'm not trying to be cute, I'm really not sure what you are asking here.



The pissing and the moaning over something that ended 150 years ago.

How long is it going to go on? How much money is it going to take so that the country can get past this? A war was already fought over it, costing hundreds of thousands of lives, and millions of dollars. Civil rights laws have been passed, a "War on Poverty" was initiated, and trillions of dollars have been spent on it.

What more is required?

LC



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Dark Tiger
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to be auctioned off like cattle, stripped of any memories of your culture, worked from sun up to sun down, loved ones raped, sold , always under the threat of death/lash,etc......... For generations.


Sounds kind of like how they had it in Africa maybe?

Not a lot of people had it easy a few generations ago - and yes, some had it much worse than others. But today is today...

The ancestors of slaves in America today (the ones who truly have roots traceable back to slavery) are highly likely better off as a result this terrible fate of history - can that be denied?






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onmymedicalgrind
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The pissing and the moaning over something that ended 150 years ago.

Its not pissing and moaning, but, in the context of the OP, it is simple acknowledging historical facts. Why do some of you get so defensive and upset by this? Nobody in this thread has said black people today should get a free pass bc of slavery, but its as if many of you want to 100% ignore it or pretend it never happened. Any mention of it on this board and one is flooded with "white guilt" or "get over it" or "ended 150 yrs ago" or similar replies.






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onmymedicalgrind
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can that be denied?

Not only can it be denied, but it also can NOT be proven.






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VOR
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The pissing and the moaning over something that ended 150 years ago.

How long is it going to go on? How much money is it going to take so that the country can get past this? A war was already fought over it, costing hundreds of thousands of lives, and millions of dollars. Civil rights laws have been passed, a "War on Poverty" was initiated, and trillions of dollars have been spent on it.

What more is required?

LC



Okay, so we should have no more books or movies about slavery, right? Or the Civil War? Or the American Revolution? Or Prohibition? How about no more books or movies about colonial times in America.

When the hell are we going to get past all that nonsense?






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VOR
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The ancestors of slaves in America today (the ones who truly have roots traceable back to slavery) are highly likely better off as a result this terrible fate of history - can that be denied?


When you can come up with a genealogical reference or some source that can establish that assertion as stated, I'd be interested to see it. Seriously. I think it's an interesting subject. Let me know when you find something.

Oh, back to the OP. There's nothing at all wrong with visiting plantations. They have a lot of interesting history behind them, and much of it really doesn't have much to do with slavery. I've seen black visitors at plantations, and, surprise, they don't seem to be pissing and moaning about anything. They're just interested like everyone else.



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LSURussian
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Does anyone feel a little weird about visiting Nottaway and all the other plantations around?
No.






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