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Additionally, I'm also left to wonder who would excercise better judgment in such a situation. On one hand there is a SB winning NFL coach with 6 years of experience under his belt. On the other, there is a weirdo who posts videos of himself dressed like a dog. hmmmmm, tough call.








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FIRE PAYTON. WE LUCKED THE frick OUT. THAT PUSSY HAS BEEN TOO CONSERVATIVE . . . IN FACT, CHICKEN shite . . . FROM DAY ONE.





























I mean, seriously. Why would I joke about something like that?






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Rex
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Your post hoc reasoning is laughable. The question is not what happened afterward, but what should have been called at the time of the play.

And you'd be agreeing with me if Steven Jackson had held onto the pass he should have caught.

And, by the way, the posts that insinuate that Sean Payton can't make a mistake are BEYOND laughable, although I don't see it so much a gaffe as something that would have been a bit wiser, instead.






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Your post hoc reasoning is laughable. The question is not what happened afterward, but what should have been called at the time of the play.



I agree with this. It is a logic flaw to use hindsight to support/argue against a 50/50 type of call.

However, it is also faulty to definitively call either decision absolutely correct...or absolutely wrong. The percentages were close enough that a subjective decision to go one way or another by the coach was very reasonable.

Was it more likely that this specific Saints defense against that Atl offense gives up a TD in the time remaining? (keep in mind, there was also a chance that Atlanta scores a TD and the Saints still win by putting together a game winning FG drive. You need to consider that.)

Or, is it more likely that the Saints convert on 4th down and 2?

It isn't clear cut. Anyone saying different is incorrect.

What is clear cut is that the timeout decisions (to use one when we had the ball on 4th down and to not use one after Atl's 2nd down and goal) were absolutely poor decisions and hurt the teams chances of winning the game.






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Fox Mulder
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if he had, this this happened, if if if if should should should should

It comes down to whether or not Payton, who knows our offense better than anyone because it is his god damn team, liked our chances in that situation against the consequences of what would happen if we didn't get it.

How many times has he seen the falcons go down the field in 1 minute and kick a FG to win/tie the game. It is a certainty at this point. They did exactly that, only matt bryant didn't get the chance to save matty ice's arse and they had the additional pressure of having to score a TD...which they could not do.

keep playing the if game, you don't know what the frick you are talking about, and I am thoroughly enjoying owning you.






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moneyg
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How many times has he seen the falcons go down the field in 1 minute and kick a FG to win/tie the game. It is a certainty at this point. They did exactly that, only matt bryant didn't get the chance to save matty ice's arse and they had the additional pressure of having to score a TD...which they could not do.



But you are ignoring the opportunity the Saints had to convert on 4th down and make that a moot point.

By arguing that Payton's decision was CLEARLY the right one, you are just as wrong as Rex.






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It is a certainty at this point.

That's an absurd statement which proves you're not worth arguing with. Cya.






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you are just as wrong as Rex.

I'm not wrong, and I do not make stupid posts such as that it was a "certainty" the Falcons would have tied the game.






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Fox Mulder
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87% is the stat in your typical situation. Payton knows our chances better than anyone. We weren't playing the jaguars. This was a good team, we struggled in that area, and payton made the right call. The falcons moving down the field the way they did in the time they did absolutely proves this was the right call. There are 2 variables that payton had to consider

1. will we get it (it wouldn't have been easy) What do the stats say when you're that close to the endzone because there isn't alot of field left.

and

2. will the falcons coast right down the field into FG range...well this one happened.

I'm not saying we would not have made it, but a league wide stat not tailored to the game situation doesn't really mean shite as to whether or not payton made the right call. And I'm done talking about it. We won the game.






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Fox Mulder
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well use your awesome stats knowledge and tell me about Matt Bryant from the 2 yard line, shite tell me about him from the 30 yard line...

u dumb






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Rex
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What part of "cya" did you not understand?






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Fox Mulder
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He did. we risk losing the fricking game if we don't get it. We force them to score a TD instead of kick a fg (which is exactly what they would have done. arguing that any differently is absurd. For one, they marched right down the field. Secondly, they have proven quite good at the 2 minute drill when they only need a FG.

Payton had a better feel for our O and their D then a league wide stat that includes a shitload of NEs and Denvers converting against the buffalo and oaklands of the league. This was a good d that gave us problems in scoring range. It was a small field as well, which makes it harder to convert because there is much less field for the D to cover.

ok. we won. bye. nothing against you, I just have work to do.






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we won the game guys





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Fox Mulder
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What part of "cya" did you not understand?


exactly...a moron with nothing to say

you should go put in your application to coach the saints. Make sure to bring a powerpoint of how bad the call that won us a divisional game was, and certainly don't forget your dog suit.

fricking loser.






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The field goal was the safer option for Payton to take. As it turned out, it was the correct choice. The decision to go for it on 4th was high risk - high reward. We had been stuffed earlier when he tried it and also our defense had been getting the better of the falcons in the second half. I wanted Payton to go for it, but kicking the field goal was absolutely not the "wrong" thing to do.





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You're right.

If he did we probably wouldnt have lost. It wouldve given us the edge we needed.






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Fox Mulder
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never underestimate the stupidity of people. Unfortunately, my brother is also in the "we should have gone for it camp"

if, and, but, could, should

you're right, we won the fricking game.






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Rex
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we won the game guys

Yes, which means that regardless of Payton's decision the Saints were the probable winner. My opinion, though, is the one which would have been wiser and is supported by history.






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moneyg
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I'm not wrong, and I do not make stupid posts such as that it was a "certainty" the Falcons would have tied the game.



No, you are wrong in claiming that it was a clear cut decision. It was a very close decision statistically. Payton's decision to use other information (his team's performance, his opponent's performance, etc) to choose a path was reasonable. To say otherwise is what is wrong.






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Breesus
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Yes, which means that regardless of Payton's decision the Saints were the probable winner. My opinion, though, is the one which would have been wiser and is supported by history.


By kicking the field goal we forced them to go for it rather than kick a field goal. And we won the game beause of it.

Had we gone for it an missed it they only needed a field goal to push overtime. The defense and crowd possibly would have been less motivated and possibly allowed a score. Or they kick it and we go to overtime and anything can happen. By taking the three points we won the game.

Now shut up.



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