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tgrbaitn08
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re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there

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The error (and I think it was a major error) was in the use of the timeout


Yeah that's my biggest beef. If you know you're gonna kick the fg, which I have no problem with that call, then just do it. Don't frick around and play silly games. They know what you're doing. Just take the 3 points and save your TO.


Brettesaurus Rex
New Orleans Saints Fan
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Member since Dec 2009
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re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
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And finally, has that Super Bowl conversion play to Moore ever NOT worked when you needed 2 yards or a touchdown?

In theory? Absolutely. But this is the exact kind of thinking will lose you a game if you stick to that regardless of the situation. But don't you think the Falcons would have keyed on that considering that's pretty much a go to play of ours? The risk of it not working out was exponentially more harmful than the potential of you to be able to ice the game.

You can't be wreckless in situations like that against a good offense, because they will make you pay. Just look at what we have done to teams in the past the same exact way.


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Brettesaurus Rex
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re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
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Yeah that's my biggest beef. If you know you're gonna kick the fg, which I have no problem with that call, then just do it. Don't frick around and play silly games. They know what you're doing. Just take the 3 points and save your TO.

I wouldn't be as mad about that considering now close they were to catching Bierman offsides. That's a cheap way and almost no risk involved shot to ice the game. If it doesn't work, oh well you get one less TO. If it does, you win.


tgrbaitn08
USA Fan
Member since Dec 2007
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re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
I agree but it's just risky with time to TO ratio. Imagine if we would have had to drive 80 yards if ATL would have scored. 2 time outs with 45 seconds would have been a hell of a lot better than 80 yards in 45 seconds with only 1 time out.


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Tiger in Texas
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Houston, Texas
Member since Sep 2004
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re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
I like gutsy calls, but no, not in that situation, force Atlanta to come back with a TD. If we missed it, all too easy for Falcons to bring it into OT with a FG , which we don't want on the first game of the season.


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CM84
USA Fan
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
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re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
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Down by 3, the worst you get is OT. They don't even try for the TD.


Fail


lsutigers1992
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Mar 2006
14071 posts

re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
Bull shite. They get to the 30, they go safe. They're not going to risk an INT.

The NFL is a pansy-ass "play the percentages" league.
This post was edited on 9/8 at 10:09 pm


jpggpj
New Orleans Saints Fan
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Member since Oct 2005
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re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
The Saints O line had their head up their asses. If they were lining up to strictly draw the Falcons offsides, when the Falcons jumped SOMEBODY on the Saints right side of the line should have jumped too and would have easily gotten the neutral zone infraction call.


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alajones
LSU Fan
Hell
Member since Oct 2005
23342 posts

re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
I agree with Rex.


4 yards away from ending the game. If you miss, they still have 96 yards to go.

Les was in a similar situation vs Bama last year. He couldn't make the gutsy call either.


Bayou
LSU Fan
Arizona Desert
Member since Feb 2005
24206 posts

re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
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4 yards away from ending the game. If you miss, they still have 96 yards to go.

3.5 minutes for an Offense like that is a lot of time to manage kicking three to tie and go into OT. We are very lucky they didn't score a TD. Kicking the 3 was the correct call.


Rex
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Member since Sep 2004
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re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
You make as much sense here as you do on the Political Talk board: NONE.

You're arguing against yourself when you say "An offense like that" and "We are very lucky they didn't score a TD".


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VOR
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
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Member since Apr 2009
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re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
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Take the points and force a touch down.


Was the right call. When they come up to the line they were looking for a specific defensive lineup and didn't see it. Hence, the timeout and the field goal. Good call.


Rex
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re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
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Was the right call.

No, it wasn't. And if Steven Jackson had caught the ball he should have caught you'd see why.

There are arguments pro and con, to be sure, each with RISKS... but going for it had a potential REWARD, i.e. an automatic win for gaining one yard, that outweighed the risk. Even upon a failure to gain that one yard Atlanta still would have had a lot of work to do.


corndeaux
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Sep 2009
6499 posts

re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
4th down play is the wrong one to look at. They shouldn't have run Ingram on 1st. THAT was a wasted down


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VOR
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re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
23 - 17



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TigerWise
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Member since Sep 2010
27511 posts

re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
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Hence, the timeout and the field goal. Good call.


Should have taken a delay of game instead of calling timeout.


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EarthwormJim
LSU Fan
Member since Dec 2005
9846 posts

re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
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There are arguments pro and con, to be sure, each with RISKS... but going for it had a potential REWARD


Kicking the field goal had a REWARD, i.e. and automatic 3 points and forcing a team(one held to 7 points for 45 minutes) to score a TD in the final minute.

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No, it wasn't. And if Steven Jackson had caught the ball he should have caught you'd see why.


And if we don't make it on 4th, Atlanta still sends to overtime with the Jackson drop.

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Even upon a failure to gain that one yard Atlanta still would have had a lot of work to do


Not really, they would have to go fewer yards in the same amount of time to tie the game with a failed conversion.


XanderCrews
LSU Fan
Member since Mar 2009
324 posts

re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
Second guessing a game is natural because you think you know something about football because you have watched it most of your adult life.

The reality is you dont know shitake. If you did you would be on the sidelines.

That being said talking about it is fun and stimulates thought and conversations.


Just FYI you have to take the points in that scenario.


lsutigers1992
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Mar 2006
14071 posts

re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
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The reality is you dont know shitake. If you did you would be on the sidelines.



Thank you, Jim Mora. That was definitely the Jim Mora Decision.

By the way, what do Jim Mora and I have in common?
Neither of us has won a playoff game in the NFL.


Fox Mulder
Tulane Fan
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2010
32769 posts

re: Sorry, but Payton should have gone for the first down there
This is the worst thread in ST recent memory.

Payton made the call and it was proven on the field to be the right call. Are we playing "what if" after beating a good team and holding a very lethal offense to 17 points

Breesus


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