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re: PS4/God of War Developer bashes Gamestop and the used games market
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:16 am to BaddestAndvari
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:16 am to BaddestAndvari
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If the $20 steak is $5 off because it's already been on someone else's plate, or you could go to another restaurant and get the exact same steak for $15 off and you know for a fact that it hasn't been on someone else's plate.. I'll go with the $15 off one thanks
His whole analogy was a failure. It's not really close to the same thing.
Yours on the other hand about being on someone else's plate
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Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:17 am to sbr2
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His analogy doesn't work because a steak is consumed once
I guess technically you could consume it again if you are into that sort of thing or you are R Kelly.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:17 am to sbr2
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His analogy doesn't work because a steak is consumed once whereas games can be sold/resold as long as the disk isn't scratched.
His analogy makes sense when you are
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:19 am to stout
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It's because they have to make as much as possible off of first party sales since they lose so much to second party/used sales or they have no incentive to be in business. Even on two year old games
You can get a brand new Uncharted 3 for $20 at a store. $30 for digital UC3 at this point is bullshite when you can buy it new for less in a store.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:20 am to stout
But that is penalizing customers and denying them what they want.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:21 am to Dr RC
That's on Sony. Not the devs or publishers. Sony controls the market and prices on their platform. The devs just gets a set licensing fee from first party sales no matter who sells it.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:21 am to UltimateHog
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Yeah I don't know a single person that uses Gamestop.
You'd be surprised. They're the largest dedicated gaming retailer in the world (not saying too much), but they also sell more games than every store not named WalMart.
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Who gives a frick what some shitty handheld developer thinks about Gamestop.
Ready at Dawn is one of the best developers out there. Every game they've made has been great.
This post was edited on 7/23/13 at 11:24 am
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:22 am to oauron
oauron to respond to only more of my posts while ignoring others in 3...2...1...
ETA Well, well...looks like he changed his tactics after the last time I called him on doing this
ETA Well, well...looks like he changed his tactics after the last time I called him on doing this
This post was edited on 7/23/13 at 11:23 am
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:24 am to oauron
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But that is penalizing customers and denying them what they want.
Most of the customers complaining about it have never experienced deeply discounted digital sales though so they really have nothing to compare to.
I will take 75% off already lower digital pricing all day vs saving $5 on a physical copy.
Xbox was also going to allow used sales but they were going to limit them and control them to put money back in their and the devs pocket on second hand license transfers.
This post was edited on 7/23/13 at 11:25 am
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:25 am to stout
Stout, don't think too highly of yourself (or at least how much your opinion affects me). I disagree with UltimateHog's post and responded like so (especially considering when you "called me out" I also responded to other in the same string of posts).
This post was edited on 7/23/13 at 11:26 am
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:27 am to oauron
No, You had responded to me like clockwork and only hurried and responded to someone else because I had posted what I had. Your response to the other person was well after I said exactly what you would do and you did it.
It was like betting the whole house when you have two face cards and the dealer has a 6 showing.
It was like betting the whole house when you have two face cards and the dealer has a 6 showing.
This post was edited on 7/23/13 at 11:30 am
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:29 am to stout
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That's on Sony. Not the devs or publishers. Sony controls the market and prices on their platform. The devs just gets a set licensing fee from first party sales no matter who sells it.
which means that they are bitching at the wrong people.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:30 am to stout
You're operating on the assumption that all of the above would be true without any precedent from Microsoft. Hell, they didn't even mention any of the positives the system could have brought.
I don't think the cost of license fees and transfer should be at the customer though. That should be in an agreement between retailers and publishers, and not forcing those costs on us (which goes along with the penalizing comment).
I don't think the cost of license fees and transfer should be at the customer though. That should be in an agreement between retailers and publishers, and not forcing those costs on us (which goes along with the penalizing comment).
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:31 am to stout
and BTW, their demand that they get some of the used sales is horsehit too.
sorry but used auto sales havent killed the car market.
here's a clue maybe people wont be so quick to wait for a used version if they stop putting out derivative garbage.
sorry but used auto sales havent killed the car market.
here's a clue maybe people wont be so quick to wait for a used version if they stop putting out derivative garbage.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:32 am to stout
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It was like betting the whole house when you have two face cards and the dealer has a 6 showing.
I liked the Roulette analogy better.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:35 am to taylork37
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I liked the Roulette analogy better.
I did as well, even if he's full of himself.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:35 am to Dr RC
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which means that they are bitching at the wrong people.
Used games hurt them way more than anything and at the very least they still make money off the digital games Sony does sell. There could be more copies sold on PSN if the prices were lower you are correct about that but the whole system needs to be fixed and that starts with eliminating used games 100% IMO.
It won't happen now though and games will actually be going up in price like EA has already confirmed. That might have more to do with higher development cost but no doubt used games plays into that in a huge way.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:35 am to stout
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That's on Sony. Not the devs or publishers.
Well that's what I was getting at (and someone else mentioned it): how do we know that Microsoft would have had intelligent, Steam-like pricing when Sony's store is currently terrible?
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:36 am to stout
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It won't happen now though and games will actually be going up in price like EA has already confirmed
MSRP increases in one region do not equate to MSRP increases in all regions.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 11:36 am to Dr RC
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sorry but used auto sales havent killed the car market.
No unions killed it but you are also talking about a huge profit margin for car sales and something that is a must for the vast majority of this country.
Not a good comparison.
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