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Posted on 7/20/13 at 4:47 pm to DURANTULA
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So if someone tells you hey, I'm going to kill you, is your first reaction going to be to lead them out to the middle of nowhere to throw down? No, it's not. It's going to be to defend yourself by any means.
Which could mean running and letting him chase you, and then you kick his arse once you're in the middle of bumfrick. I think Superman can last quite a while in battle, to where my major immediate concern is not my own survival, but to keep the death toll to as low as it possibly can go. Instead he destroys 20 more skyscrapers in their ensuing fight and kills thousands as a result.
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Also, the military was in Metropolis if he needed aid. Say he takes him out to the middle of the desert and gets killed. Then what? The military can't help him and the people of Earth have no help. Also, that battle did in fact leave Metropolis. When you are throwing down, the first and foremost thought on your mind is this: SURVIVE. Everything and everyone else is secondary.
So you're saying that Superman's mindset should have been, "Yeah, frick the other 100,000 people who will be killed in the one-on-one battle between myself and a mass murdering maniac. Let's let me and this psychopath tangle in a heavily populated area, where we can kill these people by just looking at them. This guy has already killed a million, so what a couple of thousand more going to add to it? I need a showdown in the most epic of places, and you can't beat this. frick these people, I don't really give a shite... oh except for those 4 random people we have never met. I like those guys."
It has nothing to do with his boy scout mentality. Even fricking Wolverine would try to get Zod out of that area. It's just not being a stupid a-hole and thinking through what is likely about to happen. If Superman is a sociopath who doesn't give a shite, ok then, but he's clearly not supposed to be that way.
This post was edited on 7/20/13 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 7/20/13 at 4:49 pm to Zed
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Superman/Batman movie has been officially announced
Hard to see those two working together in a movie IMO.
I agree.
Unlike Superman, or the assortment of Marvel characters, Batman is just a person. He drives a car to get around, needs a grapple gun to ascend vertically, and doesn't possess any extraordinary, superhuman abilities.
I'm not sure why an individual who can fly around the planet at his leisure would need assistance from someone like Batman.
Even more challenging would be creating an antagonist that would seem formidable, yet beatable, by both characters.
Posted on 7/20/13 at 4:56 pm to Sentrius
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I have no idea how to feel about this.
+1 could be great, or could turn out to be a complete disaster
Posted on 7/20/13 at 4:59 pm to OMLandshark
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OMLandshark
Kind of like how Superman led Doomsday out of Metropolis in Death of Superman?
They had their throw down right in the heart of the city.
Posted on 7/20/13 at 5:01 pm to RollTide1987
The article hints that Supes and Batman wont really like each other
I like that a lot
I like that a lot
Posted on 7/20/13 at 5:03 pm to RollTide1987
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Kind of like how Superman led Doomsday out of Metropolis in Death of Superman?
They had their throw down right in the heart of the city.
Still though, the Death of Superman had no where near that level of destruction. Plus Doomsday was much more interested in destroying Metropolis itself than killing Superman, which meant that Doomsday would not have followed Superman. All Zod was focused on was killing Superman.
Posted on 7/20/13 at 5:04 pm to RollTide1987
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Kind of like how Superman led Doomsday out of Metropolis in Death of Superman?
They had their throw down right in the heart of the city.
That reminds me of how terrible that part of the story was. Doomsday see's a commercial for a wrestling event, they announce its in Metropolis and all of a sudden he can read highway signs and go straight to Metropolis.
Posted on 7/20/13 at 5:05 pm to Lakitu
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I agree. Unlike Superman, or the assortment of Marvel characters, Batman is just a person. He drives a car to get around, needs a grapple gun to ascend vertically, and doesn't possess any extraordinary, superhuman abilities. I'm not sure why an individual who can fly around the planet at his leisure would need assistance from someone like Batman. Even more challenging would be creating an antagonist that would seem formidable, yet beatable, by both characters.
You need to brush up on your comic book knowledge.
Posted on 7/20/13 at 5:07 pm to OMLandshark
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Which could mean running and letting him chase you,
You are using hindsight and not thinking in the moment.
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then you kick his arse once you're in the middle of bumfrick.
Which isn't guaranteed to happen and you'll have no potential aid out in the middle of nowhere.
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to where my major immediate concern is not my own survival, but to keep the death toll to as low as it possibly can go. Instead he destroys 20 more skyscrapers in their ensuing fight and kills thousands as a result.
See that's hindsight again. He was literally Superman for only a few days when this happened. He was going to make mistakes. I'm sure the death of thousands and him actually taking a life with his own hands will make him more sensitive to life - especially human life.
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"Yeah, frick the other 100,000 people who will be killed in the one-on-one battle between myself and a mass murdering maniac.
No I'm saying that if the guy who murdered your father before you ever knew him was right in front of you and just said he was going to devote his entire existence to killing you, your first thought isn't going to be the safety and survival of complete strangers. NO ONE would think that way.
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It has nothing to do with his boy scout mentality
Yes it does. This incarnation of Superman isn't the perfect little farm boy from the past. He's new. He makes mistakes. We watched his first few days of going from Kal-El/Clark Kent to Superman. Every single hero makes mistakes in their beginning. Their coming out party and the mistakes and lessons they learn from those mistakes is what drives their morality going forward. Clark/Kal made a mistake by not leading Zod out into the middle of nowhere because he was putting himself first. He didn't think of the ramifications his actions would have on the world around him because he was caught up in the moment. It wasn't until he saw Zod about to kill that family did he really fully take a small step back and see the toll this battle was taking on our world and that's when he decided, frick, I can't let this happen, so he ended one life to save the rest of our lives.
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Even fricking Wolverine would try to get Zod out of that area.
Can't fly and has a strong connection to humanity. Also has been around the block a few times so he wouldn't have made a rookie mistake. Remember, when Superman and Zod throw down, Superman is very much a rookie learning as he goes.
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t's just not being a stupid a-hole and thinking through what is likely about to happen. If Superman is a sociopath who doesn't give a shite, ok then, but he's clearly not supposed to be that way.
Say he did fly out into the middle of nowhere. Whose to say Zod follows? Whose to say Zod doesn't just start killing innocent people even more just to make a mockery of Superman? I know he has Super hearing, but if he is thousands of miles away and can't hear or see what's going down, then what?
Let's say he goes out to the middle of nowhere, waits a few minutes, realizes Zod isn't taking the bait and kills thousands of people while he is away, then what? Superman looks like the coward who ran away AND still let many more die.
He played the only hand he was dealt. Stop trying to use hindsight outside of the situation to criticize his decision.
Also, it's a fricking movie dude. Let it go.
Posted on 7/20/13 at 5:17 pm to DURANTULA
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You are using hindsight and not thinking in the moment.
Umm, did you see the destruction? Superman knows what he and his opponent are capable of, so that is certainly something he should be thinking of in the moment. It's like saying that using a nuclear bomb as a first resort is thinking in the moment and only someone in hindsight could see that that is a gloriously terrible idea that only a sociopath would do.
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Which isn't guaranteed to happen and you'll have no potential aid out in the middle of nowhere.
First of all, what fricking aid is he getting in Metropolis? A 60 story building to break he and his opponents fall?
Secondly, he thrusts him into outer space, so really unless he consciously tried, he should not have been anywhere near Metropolis when he landed back on Earth.
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See that's hindsight again. He was literally Superman for only a few days when this happened. He was going to make mistakes. I'm sure the death of thousands and him actually taking a life with his own hands will make him more sensitive to life - especially human life.
You act as if he was born a few days ago rather than just taking up the mantle of Superman.
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No I'm saying that if the guy who murdered your father before you ever knew him was right in front of you and just said he was going to devote his entire existence to killing you, your first thought isn't going to be the safety and survival of complete strangers. NO ONE would think that way.
Most people aren't as dumb as you and can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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Say he did fly out into the middle of nowhere. Whose to say Zod follows? Whose to say Zod doesn't just start killing innocent people even more just to make a mockery of Superman? I know he has Super hearing, but if he is thousands of miles away and can't hear or see what's going down, then what?
I mean, what's it hurt to attempt it? If it doesn't work, then thrust him out into space like he did and land somewhere else, which should actually be much easier than landing back in Metropolis. Worst case scenario, Zod would kill around the same number of people he would kill anyway in the ensuing battle with Superman.
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Let's say he goes out to the middle of nowhere, waits a few minutes, realizes Zod isn't taking the bait and kills thousands of people while he is away, then what? Superman looks like the coward who ran away AND still let many more die.
He's not going to get that far from him.
Posted on 7/20/13 at 5:35 pm to OMLandshark
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Umm, did you see the destruction? Superman knows what he and his opponent are capable of, so that is certainly something he should be thinking of in the moment. It's like saying that using a nuclear bomb as a first resort is thinking in the moment and only someone in hindsight could see that that is a gloriously terrible idea that only a sociopath would do.
You are still not getting it. Zod spelled it out. He didn't give a frick about us. His sole purpose (his exact words) was to kill Superman. That's it. Once his plan failed, he wanted to kill Superman and sort the rest out later.
And I don't think you quite understand what a sociopath is, but its cute that you keep using that word like you have any idea what it truly means.
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First of all, what fricking aid is he getting in Metropolis? A 60 story building to break he and his opponents fall?
Because the military doesn't exist and isn't aware of the situation right? Not like he met a general already or anything.
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Secondly, he thrusts him into outer space, so really unless he consciously tried, he should not have been anywhere near Metropolis when he landed back on Earth.
Says who? You?
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You act as if he was born a few days ago rather than just taking up the mantle of Superman.
And what does this have to do with my point? Before Zod, he had never killed anyone. Any cop who has killed anyone will tell you that it takes a major toll on you. It changes your outlook on life and our ability to take it. He didn't truly understand what it felt like to be the direct reason why someone lost their life until he was the direct reason why someone lost their life and you saw his reaction to it.
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Most people aren't as dumb as you and can walk and chew gum at the same time.
And I am far more intelligent than you, so what does that say about you retard?
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I mean, what's it hurt to attempt it? If it doesn't work, then thrust him out into space like he did and land somewhere else, which should actually be much easier than landing back in Metropolis. Worst case scenario, Zod would kill around the same number of people he would kill anyway in the ensuing battle with Superman.
Again with the fricking fly on the wall hindsight. You don't get it and you don't get why you don't get it. Jesus you are some kind of persistent stupid.
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He's not going to get that far from him.
Well I'm glad you know everything. So when are you going to win the lottery?
Posted on 7/20/13 at 5:41 pm to DURANTULA
I believe the villain would have to be human/ and be a superman villain so it would have to be lex, batman can kill him but lex really hates superman .
Posted on 7/20/13 at 5:44 pm to Westlakeguy10
Well we know that Luthor and Wayne already exist in the MoS universe and that they both have a strong presence and extreme wealth. Bitter business rivals?
Lots of potential here. Can't wait to see what Goyer pumps out and of course who they cast as Batman.
Lots of potential here. Can't wait to see what Goyer pumps out and of course who they cast as Batman.
Posted on 7/20/13 at 5:46 pm to RollTide1987
I'm pumped for it. Only problems is that I had a script for it. Well half a script
Posted on 7/20/13 at 5:55 pm to DURANTULA
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You are still not getting it. Zod spelled it out. He didn't give a frick about us. His sole purpose (his exact words) was to kill Superman. That's it. Once his plan failed, he wanted to kill Superman and sort the rest out later.
Then that direct quote would lead anyone with basic reasoning skills to think "Hey, I don't need to cause tons of destruction to get him out of Metropolis or to kill him. He'll just follow me since his only goal now is to kill me. So I'll run like a coward for now and face him in an open field somewhere well outside of town."
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Says who? You?
Basic physics. When you're thrust into orbit, you are going thousands of miles an hour. It only takes the ISS an hour and a half to orbit the globe. Zod and Superman should have landed 100 miles or more outside of Metropolis, and you would have to basically heavily focus on getting back there in order to land right back where you launched off.
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And I am far more intelligent than you, so what does that say about you retard?
I think it's pretty well established around this site that you are one of the dumbest people here. I don't think this is up for debate.
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Well I'm glad you know everything. So when are you going to win the lottery?
When are you going to kill yourself? Don't half arse it either.
Posted on 7/20/13 at 6:06 pm to RollTide1987
I'd imagine that a joint film would be a lot like the "World's Finest" deal that they did a few years ago. That would be an easier project to do than a Justice League and would probably bring in just as much money.
It's going to feel wierd seeing a new Batman so soon and I was hoping to see the new Superman movies continue their storyline with the world being pissed at Superman for destroying Metropolis.
BTW, that Batman logo looks fricking awful.
It's going to feel wierd seeing a new Batman so soon and I was hoping to see the new Superman movies continue their storyline with the world being pissed at Superman for destroying Metropolis.
BTW, that Batman logo looks fricking awful.
Posted on 7/20/13 at 6:08 pm to DURANTULA
Posted on 7/20/13 at 6:10 pm to FairhopeTider
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I'd imagine that a joint film would be a lot like the "World's Finest" deal that they did a few years ago. That would be an easier project to do than a Justice League and would probably bring in just as much money.
When this was all just a rumor a few weeks ago, that's what they were basing it off of.
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It's going to feel wierd seeing a new Batman so soon and I was hoping to see the new Superman movies continue their storyline with the world being pissed at Superman for destroying Metropolis.
Yeah part of me wishes it was going to be its own closed off trilogy, but hey can't miss it if I get something great instead.
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BTW, that Batman logo looks fricking awful.
Yeah, they'll have to tweak it some. Probably just wanted to differentiate it from the logo used in TDK.
Posted on 7/20/13 at 6:17 pm to RollTide1987
This could be really bad or just okay. I don't see how this can be great or even good.
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