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re: What are all of these "adjustments" that should have been made?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:08 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:08 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Here's what you quoted:
a quick check on who that post was in response to reveals.......
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Therefore, the question is how many runs were saved by Laird being in RF vs. Foster/Moore?
a quick check on who that post was in response to reveals.......
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MOT
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Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:09 pm to UpToPar
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that was Stevenson in center correct?
Yes given that we are talking about Stevenson making plays in CF.
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You don't think Laird makes that play?
How would any of us ever know? You can't base you argument on "Oh I think X would make that play". That makes absolutely no sense.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:09 pm to UpToPar
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If you're actually serious then you need to look at the runs he cost us by being a guaranteed out at the plate.
Sure, you have to do both if you want to be honest, but I don't see you mentioning defense much and you haven't explained how you would mathematically figure out how many more runs he cost us at the plate than his replacement.
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Therefore, the question is how many runs were saved by Laird being in RF vs. Foster/Moore? Then you would have to compare that to the amount of runs expected with Foster/Moore in the line-up as opposed to Stevenson
First off you originally said to compare Moore, and I have taken this into account. Stevenson will make a couple of plays in center that Laird doesn't. Laird would make a large amount of plays in right that Moore wouldn't, and several that Foster wouldn't.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:11 pm to MOT
Clearly this guy is a troll with nothing better to do. He has absolutely no basis or statistics to back up anything he says. He back tracks on everything he says and then says the opposite. He doesn't have any resemblance of a clue as to what he is talking about
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:13 pm to UpToPar
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What do you lose by putting Moore in RF? Lets start there, and then see if the benefits outweigh the loss.
It's pretty dumb to argue that Moore not being put in RF was a huge mistake given that he hasn't played in RF all year.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:17 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Here again is you saying that you are losing Stevenson's glove. And now you are trying to say to compare the defense to Laird. You are comical.
This may be hard for you, but try to keep up. Laird is the constant in this equation. Whether you have Stevenson in CF and Laird in RF, or Laird in CF or Foster/Moore in RF, Laird is playing an outfield position. Therefore, you would essentially be substituting Foster/Moores increasin in offensive production for Stevenson's superior defense.
Here's the tricky part. If you are going to say that you have to look at the plays Stevenson has made this year in CF and how many runs he saved (I admit, you did not say this which is why the post you quoted was in response to MOT who did say this) I would argue that that is not a valid comparison because Laird would be moving to CF. I think Laird and Stevenson are a wash defensively, therefore, for simplicity lets assume Laird makes all the plays in CF that Stevenson did. So to try to say that Stevenson saved us with his defensive plays in center would be irrelevant because Laird makes those plays. You could argue that Laird saved us in right because Foster/Moore doesn't make those plays (and you have) and I agree with you. But at that point you have to look at both sides. Has Laird saved more runs by being in RF than Foster/Moore would have contributed at the plate as opposed to Stevenson? I think it's a valid argument.
Serious question, where do you draw the line as far as Stevenson's batting average? .150? .100? .050?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:21 pm to UpToPar
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So to try to say that Stevenson saved us with his defensive plays in center would be irrelevant because Laird makes those plays
Ok try to follow me now because you are retard and seem to be incapable so far.
My comment about 20 minutes ago was that Laird made a catch in RF that Moore would not have caught. You said I was referring to Stevenson. I corrected and said I was referring to Laird. You then proceeded to tell me that I need to compare the defense to Stevenson and not compare it to Laird.
Now you are saying that the comparison to Stevenson is irrelevant, when just 5 minutes ago you said that we shouldn't be comparing the defense to Laird because he is simply shifting to CF.
You have to compare him to one of the 2. So make up your goddamn mind on which outfielder you want to compare Moore against.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:23 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Here is the quote once again where you say we need to look at Stevenson's glove:
Now you say we need to compare Moore's glove to Stevenson.
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If you put Moore in RF you are losing Stevenson's glove.
Now you say we need to compare Moore's glove to Stevenson.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:24 pm to MOT
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Sure, you have to do both if you want to be honest, but I don't see you mentioning defense much and you haven't explained how you would mathematically figure out how many more runs he cost us at the plate than his replacement.
Sure, I've recognized that.
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First off you originally said to compare Moore, and I have taken this into account. Stevenson will make a couple of plays in center that Laird doesn't. Laird would make a large amount of plays in right that Moore wouldn't, and several that Foster wouldn't.
I think Stevenson and Laird are a wash, and even if Stevenson is a little faster or reads the ball a little better than Laird what does that translate to? one or two balls a season that he gets to and Laird doesnt? The difference is very minute if any.
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First off you originally said to compare Moore, and I have taken this into account. Stevenson will make a couple of plays in center that Laird doesn't. Laird would make a large amount of plays in right that Moore wouldn't, and several that Foster wouldn't.
See my last post, but again, Moore is a decent athlete and certainly a much better athlete than Rhymes. Which begs the question, why is Rhymes in LF? obviously, defense is number 1 priority with you, so why not put Foster in LF? Or do you agree that at some point, production at the plate outweighs defensive liability? I'm sure you do, so Ill ask you the same question, at what point does Stevenson get the boot? .150? .100? .050?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:25 pm to UpToPar
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If you are going to say that you have to look at the plays Stevenson has made this year in CF and how many runs he saved (I admit, you did not say this which is why the post you quoted was in response to MOT who did say this)
I actually didn't say that anywhere. I said runs saved with Stevenson in center...which obviously means an outfield of Stevenson-Laird vs Laird-Moore.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:27 pm to UpToPar
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I think Stevenson and Laird are a wash, and even if Stevenson is a little faster or reads the ball a little better than Laird what does that translate to? one or two balls a season that he gets to and Laird doesnt? The difference is very minute if any.
The difference in Stevenson and Laird in center is small, the difference in Laird and Moore in right (because Stevenson is in center) is significant.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:30 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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My comment about 20 minutes ago was that Laird made a catch in RF that Moore would not have caught. You said I was referring to Stevenson.
Here's where the confusion started. Your post said something to the effect of losing Laird's glove. In the same post, you cited the play Laird made yesterday in RF. When I said that you would be losing Stephenson's glove, I was speaking in general, not on that specific play.
Generally speaking, you are substituting Stevenson's defense for Moore's defense correct?
However, if you want to look at specific plays, then you can't look at catches Stevenson made in CF because that's not where Moore would be playing. At that point, you have to look at plays in RF that Laird would make and Moore would not. The number of runs those plays cost you is your risk.
Now you look at the number of runs we score with Moore in the lineup instead of Stevenson. That's your benefit. Does the risk outweigh the benefit? If so then Stevenson stays in. If not, then Moore plays.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:32 pm to UpToPar
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Which begs the question, why is Rhymes in LF? obviously, defense is number 1 priority with you, so why not put Foster in LF?
We had this discussion in a thread a few weeks ago. Before the season I would have absolutely agreed Foster was a better outfielder than Rhymes, but I wouldn't now. Better athlete and arm? Yes. Better outfielder? It's a push at best imo.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:32 pm to MOT
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The difference in Stevenson and Laird in center is small, the difference in Laird and Moore in right (because Stevenson is in center) is significant.
I agree with this. I also think that Moore would create more runs in the lineup than he would have cost us. Again, I don't care if it's Moore vs. RHP or Foster vs. LHP, I think Stevenson was too great of a liability at the plate to keep him in the lineup.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:34 pm to MOT
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We had this discussion in a thread a few weeks ago. Before the season I would have absolutely agreed Foster was a better outfielder than Rhymes, but I wouldn't now. Better athlete and arm? Yes. Better outfielder? It's a push at best imo.
So why are you so quick to dismiss Moore as an outfielder? If I'm not mistaken Rhymes had not played outfield before last year correct? Moore seems to me to be a better athlete than Rhymes.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:37 pm to UpToPar
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However, if you want to look at specific plays, then you can't look at catches Stevenson made in CF because that's not where Moore would be playing. At that point, you have to look at plays in RF that Laird would make and Moore would not. The number of runs those plays cost you is your risk.
That is literally what I have been saying the entire time. The number of runs saved by having Stevenson in center instead of Laird, and the number saved by having Laird in right instead of Moore.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:38 pm to UpToPar
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Generally speaking, you are substituting Stevenson's defense for Moore's defense correct?
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At that point, you have to look at plays in RF that Laird would make and Moore would not.
Right, so I am really not sure why you corrected me when I said that Laird made a catch in RF just yesterday that Moore would have NEVER caught. You proceeded to tell me that we are losing Stevenson's glove. Go back and read the thread.
I will compare Moore to whichever OF you would like and there is no planet on which Moore would be the better option in OF. If you are talking DH, we can have that discussion, but if you say OF you couldn't be more wrong.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:44 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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I will compare Moore to whichever OF you would like and there is no planet on which Moore would be the better option in OF
Just defensively, or both in the field and at the plate? I think an argument could be made that Moore would generate more runs than he would cost us, but again that is an opinion that I can't possibly back up with facts.
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If you are talking DH, we can have that discussion, but if you say OF you couldn't be more wrong.
If you DH Moore, that means Stevenson comes out and McMullen with an injured hamstring is in right assuming you want to leave him in the line-up. I think Moore/Foster is probably the better option there. Before McMullen's injury, I agree.
I'll ask you again, why is Rhymes in LF? We certainly have better defensive outfielders on the bench.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:47 pm to MOT
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That is literally what I have been saying the entire time. The number of runs saved by having Stevenson in center instead of Laird, and the number saved by having Laird in right instead of Moore.
If that is what you meant then I'm sorry. I thought you were asking me to look at the plays Stevenson made in CF and determine how many runs would have scored had someone else been in CF.
And again, for the record, I don't think Laird cost is any runs if he plays center over Stevenson. While Moore doesn't get to the amount of balls Laird does in RF, how many times a game does Laird run one down and save us from giving up runs. How many times of Stevenson come up and get out when Moore would have come up and produced?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:49 pm to UpToPar
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I think Moore/Foster is probably the better option there
Ok which one is it. Moore and Foster are not equal in the OF. You said put Moore in RF. Do you want Foster out there now?
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I'll ask you again, why is Rhymes in LF?
He hit .430 last year. Moore is not going to hit .430. His bat more than makes up for defense.
He also didn't make a single error this season. He made a catch in the super that was as good as I have ever seen from an LSU OF.
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