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MadtownTiger
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Just who would you have him emulate?


The man who made the program, study his track and learn from it. Because he did it the right way, making cuts and switches when and where they were needed.

I say he has a easy three years without a CWS win before he is considered on the hot seat.

Skip's CWS record was 5 out of 11. CPM needs to stay in that realm of wins/appearances. Paul is 1 out of 3, so still in the realm of great coaches.

LSU is like Kentucky Basketball, the only thing your recognized for is your championships. He can make as many CWS appearances as he wants but if he doesn't win, the tigers might as well have had an off year.
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I think Skip is better.


Skip is at-worst top 3 coaches of all time. The only coach I would consider being better and having a bigger impact on the game is Ron Fraser, coach of the Miami Hurricanes from 1963 to 1992. Skip has a slightly better resume then him but what he did for college baseball can't be matched by any coach that will ever coach the game again.

I think Skip Bertman and Ron Fraser are the two greatest Coaches in college baseball of all time.

Keep in mind Skip was an assistant under Fraser before coming to LSU. I'm not an expert on LSU baseball history but Ron Fraser could be partially responsible for who LSU is today in baseball.


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Everyone knew when there were 2 outs in the 9th and the north Carolina catcher goes out to the pitcher and says don't throw s strike this guy hit two to the warning track in the last game.




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Why didn't CPM tell the batter don't swing




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moneyg
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Skip is at-worst top 3 coaches of all time. The only coach I would consider being better and having a bigger impact on the game is Ron Fraser, coach of the Miami Hurricanes from 1963 to 1992. Skip has a slightly better resume then him but what he did for college baseball can't be matched by any coach that will ever coach the game again.

I think Skip Bertman and Ron Fraser are the two greatest Coaches in college baseball of all time.

Keep in mind Skip was an assistant under Fraser before coming to LSU. I'm not an expert on LSU baseball history but Ron Fraser could be partially responsible for who LSU is today in baseball.



I was making fun of you for commenting that Tanner is the best when he is retired. So, I threw Skip into the conversation.


The Drizz
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I'm not saying fire him at all but that bar has been set, that goes for Les too. We, as a fan base, have been content for a long time but that's not the case anymore.


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catholictigerfan
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Skip's CWS record was 5 out of 11. CPM needs to stay in that realm of wins/appearances. Paul is 1 out of 3, so still in the realm of great coaches.



so your saying we should base CPMs job on how he compares to how Skip Bertman did?

lets say in the next 10 years CPM wins 2 championships, we should fire him because he didn't win 5?

if CPM could win a championship one out of every five years he would be considered a great coach.


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its was a mental blank for me forgot he retired.


MadtownTiger
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so your saying we should base CPMs job on how he compares to how Skip Bertman did?

lets say in the next 10 years CPM wins 2 championships, we should fire him because he didn't win 5?

if CPM could win a championship one out of every five years he would be considered a great coach.


I'm saying CPM needs to stay in the realm of Skip.

He has been at LSU 7 years, and I made the comment that if he won in the next 3 years he would be good to go. 7+3=10, 2/10= Every 5 years.

So myself asking for 2 'ships every decade, seems about LSU's standards for baseball. This is not a normal program with normal standards.

And I am by no means giving ultimatums to CPM, like he gives a crap what I think, I'm just giving an opinion on a message board.
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ole yeller
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its was a mental blank for me forgot he retired.


Paul M. might as well retire, when he didn't send Laird with 2nd open in the 8th?, I knew he was in over his head. And not bunting in the 9th of the previous game, I don't think he is very smart when the chips are down.


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moneyg
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So myself asking for 2 'ships every decade, seems about LSU's standards for baseball. This is not a normal program with normal standards.



That should be the high water mark/best case scenario for any program...not an expectation.


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Ray Tanner has not won in years till he started winning. with this fan base, he would have gone before he won


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catholictigerfan
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even if we don't win in the next three years and we are contenders for the title he won't go anywhere.


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TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Not to bash, but too many bad west finishes sandwiched around 2009 team. Too poor a showings in Omaha during CPM regime, despite this team playing what I felt all season long was way above their heads, and achieving a much greater sum than the individual parts projected.

Until last year, Ray Tanner was the best HC, today it may be a 10-way-tie? I'd lean towards George Horton's resume and building of Oregon, then in no set order, Corbin, Casey, Cohen, Fox, Mainieri, etc..

Garrido and Graham and Martin may be sticking around a tad too long?
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catholictigerfan
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That should be the high water mark/best case scenario for any program...not an expectation.



exactly what I was saying

my expectations is that LSU is at-leasts host a regional every year (I can live with 1 year we don't every few years) and be a top 8 seed more often than not. If LSU gets in the habbit of not hosting regionals and going on long streaks without being a top 8 seed then I would put him on the hot seat.

But While CPM has been here

4 of 7 years we have been a top 8 seed
same rate for hosting regionals
3 of 7 years we have been to omaha.

I'm very happy with this rate and if it continues (not the two years after our championship) I will be very happy.


TheRoarRestoredInBR
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LSU lore and Box attendance can play their part with the first two you list..

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3 of 7 years we have been to omaha.


This I'd like to be at least 4 for 7 or better, but can live with say 3 of 7..if with better showings than a 1-4 W-L mark sans the title team..and the two poor West finishes.
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catholictigerfan
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LSU lore and Box attendance can play their part with the first two you list..



LSU will lead the nation in attendance for many years to come, we will never have to worry about people coming to the box.


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