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Euro U21 Final- Spain vs. Italy
Posted on 6/15/13 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 6/15/13 at 10:40 pm
Look for Italy to play catenaccio, stall, dive, simulate and provoke.
You can bank on it.
You heard it here first.
You can bank on it.
You heard it here first.
This post was edited on 6/15/13 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 6/16/13 at 4:03 am to DB10_AFC
Look for Spain to be models of the pure as driven snow sportmanship for which they are so renown. It's like good vs evil.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 7:58 am to Dandy Lion
Before using big words like catenaccio, google it first and learn the meaning. It only makes you look stupid.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 8:08 am to j1897
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j1897
You´re on a soccer board, rackensack bhoy.
You understood the last four items of my sentence to be my attempt at defining catenaccio, didn´t you? Do they teach readin´ and writin´ in Arky?
Go back to the outdoor board (you and your ´googlin´ fangers obviously landed on this board by mistake).
This post was edited on 6/16/13 at 9:55 am
Posted on 6/16/13 at 10:10 am to Dandy Lion
No I'm saying they won't be playing catenaccio, nobody does.
While you are googling the style of play, maybe you can figure out the symbolism of my userID as well.
While you are googling the style of play, maybe you can figure out the symbolism of my userID as well.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 10:17 am to j1897
quote:
Before using big words like catenaccio, google it first and learn the meaning. It only makes you look stupid.
you
gone
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raped
Posted on 6/16/13 at 10:36 am to j1897
that sounds like the most awful game ever.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 2:21 pm to Dandy Lion
Seriously, I totally expect the Azzurrini to play classic counter attack against Spain, probably mixing periods of pressing Spain high up the pitch with some spells of sitting back and absorbing pressure.
Roster wise this isn't a very normal Italian side in that the clear strength is high quality depth in the attack (even with El Shaarawy and Balotelli having moved on to the NT).
Insigne, Gabbiadini, Immobile, Destro, Borini, Florenzi, Sansone are all elite prospects in attack who already have much more Serie A experience than most Italian U-21 sides have had in the past.
It's the defensive back line (and defensive midfield since Marrone is out with an injury suffered in group play) that's not as strong as usual and very inexperienced.
Without Marrone playing off Verratti (like De Rossi / Pirlo for the NT), the midfield had a lot of trouble against Holland. This caused them to drop deeper and counter more in the 2nd half. They hadn't really done this at all in qualifying but it proved quite effective as almost every good chance (not on a non-set piece) fell to Italy on the counter.
Spain has a lot more technical quality though where Holland just tried to overrun the midfield with brute force but I still expect a similar style from Italy as they played the 2nd half against Holland.
Roster wise this isn't a very normal Italian side in that the clear strength is high quality depth in the attack (even with El Shaarawy and Balotelli having moved on to the NT).
Insigne, Gabbiadini, Immobile, Destro, Borini, Florenzi, Sansone are all elite prospects in attack who already have much more Serie A experience than most Italian U-21 sides have had in the past.
It's the defensive back line (and defensive midfield since Marrone is out with an injury suffered in group play) that's not as strong as usual and very inexperienced.
Without Marrone playing off Verratti (like De Rossi / Pirlo for the NT), the midfield had a lot of trouble against Holland. This caused them to drop deeper and counter more in the 2nd half. They hadn't really done this at all in qualifying but it proved quite effective as almost every good chance (not on a non-set piece) fell to Italy on the counter.
Spain has a lot more technical quality though where Holland just tried to overrun the midfield with brute force but I still expect a similar style from Italy as they played the 2nd half against Holland.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 6/16/13 at 7:51 pm to j1897
quote:I'm glad you are a ´wikifreaky´, but bus parking, when of Italian authoring, is still called catenaccio (especially on the Continent).
No I'm saying they won't be playing catenaccio, nobody does.
Me la suda, your userID.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 8:18 pm to wm72
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Roster wise this isn't a very normal Italian side in that the clear strength is high quality depth in the attack (even with El Sharawaay and Balotelli having moved on to the NT).
This is what surprised, and disgusted me, yesterday. I think they revert to the old style of play, when in panic mode.
Since they lost the last U21 final to Spain (it was La Baby Italia they beat, wasn´t it?), I expect them to not come out playing what has been sold as Italy´s new MO. Especially after yesterday.
This post was edited on 6/16/13 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 6/16/13 at 9:19 pm to Dandy Lion
No parking the bus is called "calcio," catenaccio is different, and ancient.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 9:30 pm to j1897
quote:is football. Crawl back under your rock.
calcio,
Posted on 6/16/13 at 9:42 pm to j1897
quote:
No parking the bus is called "calcio"
So I guess AC Milan is Italian for the Bus Parking Association of Milan?
Posted on 6/16/13 at 10:45 pm to Dandy Lion
quote:
This is what surprised, and disgusted me, yesterday. I think they revert to the old style of play, when in panic mode.
Since they lost the last U21 final to Spain (it was La Baby Italia they beat, wasn´t it?), I expect them to not come out playing what has been sold as Italy´s new MO. Especially after yesterday.
I agree that the Azzurrini were very, very poor in playing the ball to Verratti and out of the back. Still, I wouldn't call it "disgusting" when Italy still created most of the best scoring chances even if they conceded the Dutch a lot of possession.
A big problem was that the only solid defensive midfielder on the squad Marrone is out with an injury. He's the only "beefy" guy and the one who can do, to some degree, what De Rossi does beside Pirlo.
Mangia choose Rossi to replace him and he's a smallish attacking midfielder who just got overrun by the much, much, much more physical Dutch midfield.
The Dutch had a great plan to turn the midfield into a wrestling match and, with the referee waving off most fouls, they executed it well.
Neither Verratti nor Rossi were tough enough physically fighting off their markers to pick up possession.
In fairness though, Verratti was continually fouled to a degree that would never be allowed were he Pirlo or Xavi (or even Verratti playing in Ligue 1).
There were MANY instances early on where a Pirlo or Xavi would just continue to draw foul after foul whereas Verratti was simply mauled time after time with no call when he'd cleverly drawn the contact.
There's also little doubt that a Pirlo or Xavi would better find a way to deal with that type tactic/officiating and it shows Verratti's inexperience that it was so effective against him.
I also give the Dutch full credit as it was effective counter to Italy's superior technical/playmaking quality.
However, it's why I kind of reacted strongly to posters seemingly blaming the dynamic of the match squarely on Italy. Pirlo/Xavi would have been going down, rolling around and rearranging their socks for an eternity had they kept receiving those hard fouls; much more than the Italian kids did yesterday.
Spain will be a different story completely as they have no need of strong arm tactics. However, Spain may be good enough to drive the Azzurrini back into their final third just out of sheer quality.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 6/16/13 at 10:50 pm to wm72
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wm72
I hear you, and your analysis of the match sounds highly plausible, and most likely, it´s correct.
I was very, very surprised, nearly shocked, to tell you the truth.
Anyway, we´ll see what happens on Tuesday. I´ve got a feeling, I really do, that what I said will occur, will indeed happen. I hope I´m wrong.
Anyway, playing ugly or not, I can see Baby Italia doing well. I really can.
If it goes to penalties, I think we´ll see the upset. I don´t think DeGea is bad on penalties, I just think if it goes down to PKs, the luck will be on yáll´s side.
What was disgusting, was seeing number 7 purposefully spike a dutcher in the upper thigh-hip on the corner, and subsequently accost the poor bastard who missed the tap in, at the close of the match.
This post was edited on 6/16/13 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:39 am to Dandy Lion
I wish these teams would stop meeting in finals, I don't particularly like either one of them.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:05 pm to Dandy Lion
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What was disgusting, was seeing number 7 purposefully spike a dutcher in the upper thigh-hip on the corner, and subsequently accost the poor bastard who missed the tap in, at the close of the match.
Woah there. . . you do know you're talking about Florenzi . . .
If you watched the match, you probably would have been even more disgusted when Florenzi tried to shake John's hand early in the match after both players had collided going for a 50-50 ball only to see John pull his hand away and then get in Florenzi's face gangsta style when Florenzi pointed to the Fair Play badge? Or when John proceeded to late foul him hard a couple of times after that, talking shite each time?
I wish Florenzi would have simply punched his lights out.
The Dutch were playing pretty dirty and shite talking throughout and worse after Italy scored. Italy are as far from perfect as any team but the degree of bias on this board is absurd.
Donati is now questionable with bruised ribs from an intentional elbow that, predictably, saw posters here chastise him for "time wasting" after taking the blow.
But I've come to expect that on this board.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 6:30 pm
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