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i was speaking in terms of their depth and trade value. 
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Posted on 6/8/13 at 6:02 pm to MrBlue105
I think this guy says he has aminu's hold but is including the pick's hold instead. So those numbers would be giving up Aminu's Bird Rights, if that is correct.
I asked him. We'll see.
It's from shamsports if anyone wants to check.
LINK
I might have my spreadsheet screwed up and can't find out how.
I asked him. We'll see.
It's from shamsports if anyone wants to check.
LINK
I might have my spreadsheet screwed up and can't find out how.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 6:28 pm to 42
That's just a credible ballpark estimate we can start playin with for theoretical purposes. Got some valuable info. The other more complex cap threads died.
You're saying the number includes an aminu signing for the same amount of $ as the #6pick?
I like how ryan Anderson's contract is front loaded so we pay him less and less every year.h
Would we have enough to sign someone to a max deal? ~13 mil cap space but we gotta pick up some solid bench players, right?
You're saying the number includes an aminu signing for the same amount of $ as the #6pick?
I like how ryan Anderson's contract is front loaded so we pay him less and less every year.h
Would we have enough to sign someone to a max deal? ~13 mil cap space but we gotta pick up some solid bench players, right?
Posted on 6/8/13 at 6:32 pm to 42
i've been thinking all year that we wasted our amnesty on lewis. silly me! its great that we have the option to gamble later.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 6:36 pm to MrBlue105
We can dump contracts to sign a max guy, but likely any such person would come in a trade anyway.
Anderson's contract is not as simple as that. Most in year one, then a big drop, then creeps up to $8.5m, which is the average value.
I really like the structure. A totally front loaded contract encourages guys not to extent, since the value at the end boxes in the value of the extension. This way, it ends at the average value. Very nice.
I think it means we do not have Aminu's rights but does have the 6th pick, to be clear.
Anderson's contract is not as simple as that. Most in year one, then a big drop, then creeps up to $8.5m, which is the average value.
I really like the structure. A totally front loaded contract encourages guys not to extent, since the value at the end boxes in the value of the extension. This way, it ends at the average value. Very nice.
I think it means we do not have Aminu's rights but does have the 6th pick, to be clear.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 6:38 pm to BayouFann
We can't amnesty anyone.
We could only use it on people who were on our team at the time of the signing of the CBA and can only use it on that contract. We have no such players on such contracts.
We can't use it on players that arrive and other teams can't use it on players we sent them.
We could only use it on people who were on our team at the time of the signing of the CBA and can only use it on that contract. We have no such players on such contracts.
We can't use it on players that arrive and other teams can't use it on players we sent them.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 6:51 pm to 42
yeah. now i remember this
Posted on 6/8/13 at 8:08 pm to 42
quote:
I think this guy says he has aminu's hold but is including the pick's hold instead. So those numbers would be giving up Aminu's Bird Rights, if that is correct.
I asked him. We'll see.
It's from shamsports if anyone wants to check.
LINK
I might have my spreadsheet screwed up and can't find out how.
The details are probably outdated but the numbers looks correct. He most likely forgot to edit the details when he edited the sheet.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 8:10 pm to supe12sta12z
Think it's new
Posted on 6/8/13 at 8:26 pm to MrBlue105
What I meant was that when he changed the cap information on his sheet, he didn't remove those details. So he's using old and outdated information and adding new details to them.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 11:06 pm to supe12sta12z
$58,500,000 projected cap.
$43,423,423 in committed salary.
$12,432,977 in room.
Those are from the article LINK
The committed salary plus the room plus holds must equal the cap.
$58,500,000 = $43,423,423 + $12,432,977 + holds
or
$58,500,000 = $55,856,400 + holds
so
$58,500,000 - $55,856,400 = holds
so
$2,643,600 = holds
which is exactly the hold for the pick.
No where in the above is Aminu mentioned.
I don't see where I went wrong, but maybe I did. He says the amount of room is for Aminu being held on to and makes no mention of the pick. I think this is just a minor slip up on his part in this great article. And, again, could be me. I'm just laying out what I see.
$43,423,423 in committed salary.
$12,432,977 in room.
Those are from the article LINK
The committed salary plus the room plus holds must equal the cap.
$58,500,000 = $43,423,423 + $12,432,977 + holds
or
$58,500,000 = $55,856,400 + holds
so
$58,500,000 - $55,856,400 = holds
so
$2,643,600 = holds
which is exactly the hold for the pick.
No where in the above is Aminu mentioned.
I don't see where I went wrong, but maybe I did. He says the amount of room is for Aminu being held on to and makes no mention of the pick. I think this is just a minor slip up on his part in this great article. And, again, could be me. I'm just laying out what I see.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 11:47 pm to 42
I didn't realize it was an article. I figured it was a list they kept throughout the year and edit it as they go. They most likely slipped up. Funny thing is, Their list is accurate. Whatever they're using to detail the cap holds are not consistent with the list they have on their site.
Posted on 6/9/13 at 4:35 am to supe12sta12z
He changed it to renounce Aminu.
All is well.
All is well.
Posted on 6/9/13 at 1:56 pm to 42
Why wouldn't we renounce Aminu's Bird rights? We would just lose the ability to S&T him in that event, right? Is there a situation where we'd need to go over the cap to extend him?
Posted on 6/9/13 at 2:02 pm to THRILLHO
You can still sign and trade him if you renounce the rights.
You can go over the cap to sign him, provided he fits in an appropriate exception.
The Rights just give you the Bird Exception to use to do that.
You can go over the cap to sign him, provided he fits in an appropriate exception.
The Rights just give you the Bird Exception to use to do that.
Posted on 6/9/13 at 2:09 pm to THRILLHO
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Why wouldn't we renounce Aminu's Bird rights?
I can only think of 2 reasons. 1) to scare off other teams from pursuing him while we wait to give him a lowball offer or 2) we only spend a small amount of cap space in Free Agency, use Aminu's rights to resign him and still have the cap room MLE available for someone else. Both scenarios seem possible so there's no need to renounce Aminu until you plan to use his cap space.
Posted on 6/9/13 at 2:11 pm to 42
Not saying I would do this, but say we pick up his rights, that gives us a ~$3m cap hold. We could then spend up to the cap, then give him, say, a $5m/yr contract that puts us over the cap? From what I'm understanding a situation like that unfolding would be the only reason to not renounce him. That or maybe in signing him to a one year deal but wanting to keep his Bird rights for next offseason.
Posted on 6/9/13 at 2:24 pm to THRILLHO
It doesn't work that way.
If you have his rights, he puts a hold on your room for $3.7m, the max the Pelicans can offer him due to the declined option.
I don't think they'd want to pay more than that anyway.
The hold won't let you spend up to the cap. It lets you spend up to the cap less that hold, so it doesn't help in a cap room sense.
Where it helps is if you add enough salary to go over the cap in trade, then use the bird rights to sign him while over the cap and still having the appropriate MLE to use for others.
This is like what ATL said, but it's also what I said on the Cap Room page.
If you have his rights, he puts a hold on your room for $3.7m, the max the Pelicans can offer him due to the declined option.
I don't think they'd want to pay more than that anyway.
The hold won't let you spend up to the cap. It lets you spend up to the cap less that hold, so it doesn't help in a cap room sense.
Where it helps is if you add enough salary to go over the cap in trade, then use the bird rights to sign him while over the cap and still having the appropriate MLE to use for others.
This is like what ATL said, but it's also what I said on the Cap Room page.
Posted on 6/9/13 at 2:25 pm to THRILLHO
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then give him, say, a $5m/yr contract that puts us over the cap?
We are limited to giving Aminu $3.7 million because we didn't pick up his option. It's a rule in the CBA aimed at preventing teams from doing an end run around the rookie scale like not picking up Anthony Davis' options and then signing him to a max deal as FA.
The scenario you outlined is #2 in my previous post. If you don't need to spend Aminu's cap hold then you can bring him back and still preserve some other exceptions.
Posted on 6/9/13 at 2:43 pm to 42
quote:
If you have his rights, he puts a hold on your room for $3.7m, the max the Pelicans can offer him due to the declined option.
OK, didn't know that, which makes sense for the reason ATL mentioned.
quote:
Where it helps is if you add enough salary to go over the cap in trade, then use the bird rights to sign him while over the cap and still having the appropriate MLE to use for others.
This situation seems like it would take a very precise trade. And isn't that ~$12m in space being thrown around only in the event that we give up the opportunity to use the MLE?
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