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re: 401k Loans

Posted on 6/5/13 at 5:57 pm to
Posted by Golfer
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Posted on 6/5/13 at 5:57 pm to
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Nope you're going to pay tax on the withdrawal, plus loan origination fees, plus interest. So you'll withdraw $60-65K to get the $50K, and you still have to pay back $60-65K with interest. This is 50 kinds of dumb, imo.

If you must borrow money, bank loan or HELOC is the way to go. Worst case scenario, if you for some reason default on the loan, you ruin your credit, and if you have no way to pay it back, you can usually settle and possibly file bankruptcy.


But if you default on a 401K loan, you have IRS problems to deal with on top of the debt you assumed by borrowing your own money. AND THEN YOU WILL BE IN A WORLD OF shite.

DON'T DO A 401K LOAN.


You're wrong.

I borrowed against mine a few years ago:

- The loan amount wasn't removed from my account so I continued to earn dividens on it.
- I paid a $25 origination fee and a 3.75% APR
- A default doesn't show up on your credit. You are just issued a 1099 by your loan administrator for early disbursement.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/5/13 at 6:12 pm to
My mistake, there's no tax unless you default on the loan (or in most plans, if you quit your job, you have to pay the note in full within 30-60 days). But a bank loan default DOES show up on your credit, as I said. A 401K Default may not show up on your credit, but the tax and penalty consequences can be even worse as I said. Good article on this subject

8 Reasons to never borrow from your 401K


1. You Are Not Saving
If you borrow money from your 401(k) plan, most plans have a provision that prohibits you from making additional contributions until the loan balance is repaid. Even if your plan doesn't have this provision, it is unlikely that you can afford to make future contributions in addition to servicing the loan payment. Because the whole point of having a 401(k) plan is to use it is as a way to save for the future, you are defeating the purpose of having this account if you use it before you retire.

2. You Are Losing Money
If you not are not making contributions, not only is the entire balance that you borrowed missing out on any potential growth in the stock or bond markets, but each future contribution that you are unable to make (since you have a loan outstanding) isn't growing either. The extraordinarily low interest rate that you are paying to yourself with your loan payment is likely to be a pittance in terms of return on investment when compared to the market appreciation that you are missing. Of course, there's also the fact that you are paying yourself back with after-tax money. If you are in the 25% tax bracket, earning $1 only gives you $0.75 toward repaying the loan, and that $0.75 will be taxed again when you retire and withdraw if from your plan. While the interest rate on the loan may be low, you are getting taken to the cleaners by its tax implications.

3. Time Will Work Against You
Long-term investing (such as saving for retirement) is based on the idea that, by putting time to work on your behalf, your money will grow. Most calculations suggest that your money will double, on average, every eight years. 401(k) plans permit each loan to be held for up to five years or longer. Therefore, if the loan is used to fund a first-time home purchase, loan holders not only lose out on what should have been an opportunity to nearly double their money, but they are also left unable to make up for the lost contribution and growth opportunities. Over time, their balance is unlikely to ever reach the total that it would have reached had contributions continued uninterrupted. (For more insight, check out Delay In Savings Raises Payments Later On, Understanding The Time Value Of Money and Why is retirement easier to afford if you start early?)

Which penny stock will turn your $1k to $10k?
4. If Your Financial Situation Deteriorates, You Could Lose Even More Money
Should you find yourself in a position where you are unable to repay the loan, it is treated as a withdrawal and the outstanding loan balance will be subject to current income taxes in addition to a 10% early withdrawal penalty if you are under age 59.5. (For more on this, read Tough Times … Should You Disturb Your Qualified Plan's Assets?)

5. You Are Trapped
If you have an outstanding loan, most plans require that the loan be immediately repaid if you quit your job. So, as long as you have a loan, you are stuck in your current job and may be forced to pass up a better opportunity should one come along, unless you are willing to take the loan balance as a withdrawal and pay the 10% penalty, which further compounds the growth opportunities that you have missed by taking the loan.

6. You Lose Your Cushion
Taking a loan from your 401(k) plan should only be done in the direst of circumstances, after you have completely exhausted all other potential sources of funding. If you take money from your plan to fund a vacation or pay off higher interest loans, the money won't be there to borrow if you really need it.

7. It Suggests That You Are Living Beyond Your Means
The need to borrow from your savings is a red flag - a warning that you are living beyond your means. When you can't find any other way to fund your lifestyle than by taking money from your future, it's time for a serious re-evaluation of your spending habits. What purchase could possibly be so important that you are willing to put your future in jeopardy and go into debt in order to get it? (For more insight, see Digging Out Of Personal Debt and The Beauty Of Budgeting.)

8. It Violates The Golden Rule of Personal Finance
"Pay yourself first" is the golden rule of personal finance. Violating that rule is never a good idea.





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