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NBA Draft: 1st Round International Prospects

Posted on 5/22/13 at 1:26 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 1:26 pm
Thread strictly dedicated to international picks that could go in the first round. A lot of draft profiles are incomplete on these players as the draft sites don't see a lot on them. I'm not including any players that played college ball in America, like Len.

1) Dennis Schroeder PG



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Strengths: Point guard with effortless blow by speed to get by opponents virtually at will ... At 6'1-6'2, he has a huge wingspan at 6'7 1/4 ... Shows good form on his shot and his stats back that up, hitting 40% from 3 (on 3.3 attempts per game) and 84% from the line, averaging 11.9 ppg in 24 mpg during his season in the German Bundesliga ... Solid passer. Vision and playmaking skills seem to be developing nicely ... In the Hoop Summit he displayed a reliable handle and the ability to play under control at a high rate of speed, setting up teammates for buckets as well as an emerging pull up jumper. Granted that was against a talented but inexperienced group of high school prospects ... A solid defender, showing a good understanding of spacing and staying in defensive position with his hands active without reaching. Displays a lot of potential to be an on ball pest with his quick feet and huge wingspan ... Shows a developing tear drop and would be well served by perfecting it ... Also has a deft spin dribble move ... Schroeder's elite level speed is his biggest weapon and gives him a lot of intrigue as an NBA prospect ...

Weaknesses: Still raw, efficiency numbers this season could have been better ... His 3.3 to 2.9 a/to ratio display his need to become a more efficient ball protector and distributor. Though it is important to keep in mind that he's still just 19 ... Despite his 40% 3 point shooting numbers, his shot appears to lack the ability to extend out to NBA 3 at this point, as he shoots a bit of a set shot ... Just 168 lbs. Frame is slight so getting stronger will be important. At this point he can be easily muscled and knocked off balance by bigger and stronger guards. Narrow shoulders mean he'll likely never be a physical player ... Added strength would allow him to finish after contact and better utilize his ability to get into the paint. It would also benefit him defensively if opponents attempt to post him ... Needs to develop the ability to go left. He is too right hand dominant making it easier to defend him by overplaying his right ... Much more effective shooting from spot up than off isolation. Gaining the ability to go left would help in this area ... Lacks experience playing against a high level of competition, having played this season with a low level German team (New Yorker Phantoms) with lower level Americans and Germans, and the team struggled (13-19) ... Will need to develop into a vocal leader as a lead guard ... Must become more adept running the pick and roll as a ball handler ... Solid athlete but not a dynamic, above the rim type of finisher ...

Notes: Breakout star of the Portland Hoop Summit where he impressed numerous GMs and scouts ... Benefited from a tremendous week of practices followed by an excellent game in which he outperformed Kasey Hill and Demetrius Jackson. putting up 18 points, 6 assists and just 3 turnovers ... Game appears tailor made for the NBA as opposed to Europe due to his potential to break down opponents with his speed ... Named most improved player in the BBL ... There aren't a ton of big names on his German BBL team, former Duke Blue Devil and Arizona State Sun Devil, Eric Boateng, being one ...


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2) Rudy Gobert C



Draft profile on NBADraft is from 2012:

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Strengths: Gobert has an amazing (7-foot-9) wingspan combined with a skinny but athletic frame … Coordination and ability to run the floor are above average for a big man … His agility and reflexes make him a solid athlete, even by NBA standards … He has a reliable hook shot with his right hand plus he has good instinct for the put back ... Shot shows solid touch, giving him nice potential to develop further offensively ... He’s really fast running the floor, and when he has momentum he’s difficult to stop, thanks to his speed and coordination ... His mobility makes him difficult to guard for opposing bigmen, especially in pick and roll situations, often generating mismatches ... His wingspan allows his team to put defensive pressure on opponents …Rim protector. His length disrupts passing lanes and he makes the basket difficult to reach for opposing guard's penetrations ... He has good timing for blocks, thanks to his agility and coordination ... His length makes him a formidable presence in the post and he should be able to develop into a shot blocker / changer / intimidator ... Shows a good body to add weight, and his toughness is also not a big area of concern and should improve along with his strength, over time ...

Weaknesses: He needs to bulk up his upper body, in order to be able to withstand the extra physicality at the NBA level ... Lacks great leaping ability, though his length helps … His shooting range is limited to the painted area, and needs to be expanded … Mostly faces the basket and needs to work on his back to basket moves ... He lacks a jump shot from the midrange and also is predictable and mechanical in his moves, lacking fluidity, even though he’s pretty reliable from the free throw line ... His offensive movements are rather raw, he needs to add confidence to his game, sometimes he seems too stiff and mechanical ... He’s able to take post position effectively but he still lacks a safe and reliable go to post move ... He’s a reliable rebounder but with his physical tools he could be even better ... He has a mild demeanor, sometimes he appears to play with a reduced gear, lacking much competitive fire ... At times, his lack of a great feel for the game becomes apparent as he fails to recognize plays before they develop or doesn't finish off plays with enough aggression ...

Notes: His performances at the 2012 adidas Eurocamp on the defensive side elevated his status to a potential top 10 pick, and definitely as the top Euro prospect in 2013 NBA draft ... But during the 2012/2013 season his improvements have been quite disappointing with his draft stocks dropping significantly ... His potential is still quite intriguing but his projection is now a mid-late first round ... Averaged 9 points and 6 rebounds this season in French ProA with Cholet.


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3) Dario Saric SF

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Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130609 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 1:27 pm to
4) Sergey Karasev SG

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Strengths: Sweet shooting lefty with a great deal of scoring acumen ... Needs very little room to get his shot off, great at stretching the floor ... Strong basketball IQ for a player who is yet to turn 20 ... Has solid court vision/imagination and is a willing passer ... Some ability to put the ball on the floor in the half court set ... Shows toughness, fighting for rebounds, even with a lack of strength ... Has spent the past year as a main scorer on a professional team with solid efficiency ... Definitely seems to have a willingness to come over and play in the NBA, not much worry about a hold out ... Will compete defensively and has nice size for either wing position ...

Weaknesses: Still relatively underdeveloped for the physical rigors of the NBA ... Can be bothered by superior length and athleticism ... An average athlete, this could really hurt him defensively on the pro level. Lacks great lateral speed making him a liability in isolation ... Overall speed is less than ideal for a SG ... Very inconsistent shooting from the midrange during his professional play ... Spends too much time behind the arc and can fall in love with the long ball rather than mixing up his offensive repetoire ... Will have to go through a drastic role change and culture change upon entry to the league ... Needs quite a bit of time in the weight room before being considered as a rotation option at the NBA level

Notes: Measured at 6-7 (in shoes) with a 6-9.25 wingspan at the 2013 Nike Hoop Summit ... Was very impressive during the week of practices at the Hoop Summit in front of NBA scouts ... Averaged 16.3 ppg in the VTB United League and 16.1 in Eurocup during the 2012-13 season for BC Tryumph Lyubertsy ... Part of the Russian Men's Basketball Team that won the Bronze Medal at the 2012 Olympics ... Likely late first round pick who should slip no lower than the early second round ...



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5) Giannis Adetokunbo, SF,

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This post was edited on 5/22/13 at 1:28 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 2:12 pm to
I think I could live with Saric at 6. The stats say he needs to work on his shot a lot, but he's young and he looks like a pretty good creator/passer in this highlight video LINK The main question I have is could he be similarly successful with dribble penetration in the NBA. I remember Beli and Ayon both looked pretty capable in euro highlights but rarely did it in the NBA. Since he can't shoot if he can't penetrate he's worthless, but if he can that would add another dimension to the team, especially with a guy down low like Davis that is good at slipping his defender.
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 2:14 pm to
Thanks for the work FB

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2) Rudy Gobert C


I'm not an expert, but from just the three or four films I watched of him, I don't really like him as a first rounder. He blocks shots on weak side help and dunks and that's about it. Runs the floor pretty fast, but not too athletic. And they are right about his jumping ability. Good think he's tall because it looks like he has a 6 inch verticle. And the little I saw of his defense I didn't like. He was really really slow to react.


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He has a mild demeanor, sometimes he appears to play with a reduced gear, lacking much competitive fire


This scares me too.


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3) Dario Saric SF


The more I see of this kid, the more I like him. Competitive. Tall and rangy. Great ball movement. Good scorer and rebounder. May take a few years to develop, but I think he and AD could develop together to be dominate. IMHO
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22230 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 2:15 pm to
I don't see Saric happening at all.

Terrible defender and can't shoot.

And I just don't see Monty letting a 6'10" guy come in and play point forward here, so whats his value to us?
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
41251 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 2:27 pm to
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Saric at 6. The stats say he needs to work on his shot a lot


great, another 3 who can't shoot. just what the doctor ordered for this team.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 2:31 pm to
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And I just don't see Monty letting a 6'10" guy come in and play point forward here,


I don't think anyone they draft at 6 or later has much value to the team this year. Monty values defense too much and rookies are notoriously bad at defense. I guess the positives are 1) He possibly would be a eurostash saving you cap space in the short term. and 2) He doesn't have to play point forward to utilize his skills. Aminu is worthless on offense because when you pass it to him it's either a missed shot or a turnover. Assuming Saric can take NBA players off the dribble then that same opportunity turns into a layup/foul/assist. Not to mention the highlight reel suggests he'd be excellent at touch passes to keep the ball moving on the perimeter.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74455 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 2:32 pm to
Do you like any particular player? Seems like you knock every guy mention
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
36237 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 2:47 pm to
I don't think he's as bad a shooter as everyone is saying. He's not Ray Allen or anything, but in the Nike Hoops Summit he was 2nd in points (shooting 50%) for the world team in 2011 and 3rd in points behind Wiggins and Zhelin (5 for 10 FTM/FTA and 1 of 3 for 3PT) for last years World team.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22230 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 4:56 pm to
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Do you like any particular player? Seems like you knock every guy mention
Sure, I like plenty guys. I'm one of the few that don't hate this draft.

I really like Mclemore, Burke, Oladipo, Porter, Mccollum.
I like Bennett a lot too, his lack of position is a problem though.
I even like Zeller, i think he'll be a good player.
I also go back and forth on MCW. The potential is there with him, but >40 fg%, >30 3pt%, and >70 ft% is SCARY.

A few weeks ago I posted an article talking about Demps liking Saric and the idea was universally hated. I think we're now trying to talk ourselves into liking him because he might actually be a possibility.
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
69014 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 5:04 pm to
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A few weeks ago I posted an article talking about Demps liking Saric and the idea was universally hated. I think we're now trying to talk ourselves into liking him because he might actually be a possibility.



Dude, he could easily be as good as Boston Snackbar or the Magic Lamp.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22230 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 5:04 pm to
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I don't think anyone they draft at 6 or later has much value to the team this year.
Thats only if we assume the top 5 guys(Noel, Mclemore, Burke, Oladipo, Porter, imo) will be gone. Its extremely unlikely that a month out from the draft, the top 5 picks will fall exactly how people assume it will, today. Definitely didn't happen last year, and never goes according to plan. Someone will fall and someone else will jump in there like Bennett or Len.

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Aminu is worthless on offense because when you pass it to him it's either a missed shot or a turnover. Assuming Saric can take NBA players off the dribble then that same opportunity turns into a layup/foul/assist.
The a major assumption though. I have my doubts that he's gonna be taking many NBA SFs off the dribble.

Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22230 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 5:08 pm to
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Dude, he could easily be as good as Boston Snackbar or the Magic Lamp.
I stand corrected then. Get him fitted for a jersey and tell AD to hand over #23!
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 5:08 pm to
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the idea was universally hated


His numbers are pretty blah even for a euro. But that highlight video I posted makes him look much better than his stats. You see why Chad Ford went sensationalistic with his "Next Magic Johnson" article. Again, the main question for me is can he do that on NBA players, if not he might as well stay in Europe.

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I think we're now trying to talk ourselves into liking him because he might actually be a possibility.


Of course we are. If he were more impressive he wouldn't be coming out of nowhere. Guys like Motiejunas were on the radar and higher in mocks a lot earlier than just before the combine.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 5:11 pm to
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Thats only if we assume the top 5 guys(Noel, Mclemore, Burke, Oladipo, Porter, imo) will be gone.


That's a given. I said I "think I could live with Saric at 6" Not exactly a ringing endorsement. It's basically an "I'll trust Demps to see more than I can now that we have an actual scouting department."
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22230 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 5:19 pm to
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That's a given. I said I "think I could live with Saric at 6" Not exactly a ringing endorsement. It's basically an "I'll trust Demps to see more than I can now that we have an actual scouting department."
Agreed there.

I think our whole draft will hinge on what Orlando does 2nd overall.

I've been reading everything i can on what they might do and it seems about 65-35, something like that, on them taking Mclemore over Burke. If they go BPA and take Mclemore i think it there's a really good chance Burke falls into our laps. Everybody else ahead of us has young, solid PGs.

Then it just comes down to whether or not Demps/Monty want Burke...
This post was edited on 5/22/13 at 5:22 pm
Posted by rzd30
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2008
1108 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 8:10 pm to
I think Saric is a lot higher on many boards had Veesly not been a total bust.
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 9:34 pm to
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