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T-ball topic.. Other than fun, what is the goal teaching kids or winning games?

Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:38 am
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:38 am
Our league does not allow the pitcher to run down or tag out a batter going to first base. The ball must be thrown to first base or, the first baseman may field the ball and tag the runner or base for an out.

Many of our kids are still not proficient in playing catch and are afraid of the ball in the air. Despite this we continue to teach them to throw the ball to first base and as a result we have missed catches and over throws that are costly. We only play kids at first that want to try to catch the ball in the air. As coaches we feel it is important that the kids go through the correct motions of throwing the ball in the air to first base even if execution is not great.

Other teams have chosen to have their in fielders throw the ball to the ground in front of first base so the first baseman may stop the grounder and then tag the base. This is much more efficient and there are more outs and less over throws at first as a result.

Which way do you feel is the correct way to do this?
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:39 am to
i expect this topic to be twisted to be a "why can't kids lose" outcry.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:40 am to
The way you are doing it, for sure.

At that level, it's all about learning the functional skills to play the game.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79104 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:40 am to
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Which way do you feel is the correct way to do this?

The way you are doing it.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12868 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:41 am to
The #1 minimal goal in t-ball is for kids to learn how to throw and catch and swing the bat. They arent learning that by throwing grounders to 1st base.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
51410 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:42 am to
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T-ball


doesn't help kids at all. It teaches them bad swing habits and they don't learn to track the ball. Its better just to have them sit out and play with them in your backyard. Its a total cluster anyway.
Posted by PapaPogey
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:42 am to
Teach them the basic rules of the game and let them enjoy it.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
62285 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:43 am to
Not going to lie, the one year I helped coach a T ball team I taught the pitcher to throw it at the grass/dirt mesh pont in front of first. It would hop up about chest high and the first baseman would catch it every time. I think that's more productive than having him throw it over the fence.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:45 am to
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Which way do you feel is the correct way to do this?

Coaching tee ball this year. We don't keep score and everyone bats each inning. However, I measure success by the way my team fields the ball and makes a throw to first. Very few 5 year olds can catch a throw to first, but my team makes several outs a game.

Rolling the ball to first or taking any shortcuts is terrible and that person should never coach that age group.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54853 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:47 am to
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doesn't help kids at all.
Wrong.

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It teaches them bad swing habits
Wrong.

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they don't learn to track the ball.
I have seen no problems with this.

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Its better just to have them sit out and play with them in your backyard.
Generally I disagree, but it may be for some kids.

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Its a total cluster anyway.
It doesn't have to be. It is providing a base of understanding the game, the rules, the positions, and technique. It isn't AA.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:48 am to
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doesn't help kids at all. It teaches them bad swing habits and they don't learn to track the ball. Its better just to have them sit out and play with them in your backyard. Its a total cluster anyway.


I went to a couple games with my friend to watch her kid. I've never been so annoyed in my life watching "baseball." it's just a bunch of kids rolling around in dirt, throwing hissy fits when they don't get the ball, and teaching kids to swing however they can right in the middle of the plate.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:50 am to
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doesn't help kids at all.
Wrong.


how does it help?

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It teaches them bad swing habits

Wrong.


yea, swinging with your back to the pitcher and standing in the front of the plate is great

Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54853 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:53 am to
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how does it help?

We teach kids how to throw the ball properly, how to catch, how to take a proper stance and grip at the plate, how to field a ground ball, how to swing the bat, the positions on the filed, which bases to run to, when to run, how to run through first base. It is providing a starting point for kids based on their level of physical maturity and coordination.

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yea, swinging with your back to the pitcher and standing in the front of the plate is great

That isn't what is taught by any decent coach. I'm not sure you know enough from watching a friend's kid's game to speak knowledgeably about the subject.

Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:55 am to
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It teaches them bad swing habits
Wrong.


yes it does. Have you seen the swings kids come up with when all they have to do is hit a stationary ball in the middle of the plate. Some of them dont even break their elbows.

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they don't learn to track the ball.
I have seen no problems with this


except that it's about 90% of hitting
This post was edited on 5/22/13 at 10:56 am
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6978 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:56 am to
I coach a 5-6 girls T-ball team. We throw it to first. Only 3 girls on the team can throw it all the way to 1st playing anywhere aside from 2nd base. I move them around and try to let all of them get at least one chance to throw someone out during the game. We usually make about 2 legitimate outs in a 3 inning game, where everyone bats (12-14 girls) every inning.

You are doing it right. It shouldn't be about winning at that age. It's about teaching them something and getting everyone involved. People who worry about the score of T-ball games have underlying issues in my opinion.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:57 am to
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We teach kids how to throw the ball properly, how to catch, how to take a proper stance and grip at the plate, how to field a ground ball, how to swing the bat, the positions on the filed, which bases to run to, when to run, how to run through first base. It is providing a starting point for kids based on their level of physical maturity and coordination.


and these 4 year olds can comprehend all of this?

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That isn't what is taught by any decent coach. I'm not sure you know enough from watching a friend's kid's game to speak knowledgeably about the subject.


It's t ball, not rocket science. their team is coached by a 20 year old baseball player. one kid throws a hissy fit and starts crying everytime someone else fields the ball, while 3 or 4 others just roll around in the dirt while someone hits an inside the park HR that doesn't make it past the infield.

maybe you can link me some study on t ball and development since I'm apparently uninformed.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54853 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 10:57 am to
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Have you seen the swings kids come up with when all they have to do is hit a stationary ball in the middle of the plate. Some of them dont even break their elbows.
How old are you? Do you have kids? Have you ever coached kids at that age?

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except that is about 90% of hitting

And, hitting off a tee doesn't keep kids from tracking balls and hitting them. I throw pitches to my son and his friends who are tee ballers and they are still able to track and hit the ball even after playing tball.

Every level of baseball works on swing mechanics using a tee. It is a starting point for kids at the age of 4 and 5 years old.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 11:01 am to
You're doing it right. Don't take shortcuts at the developmental age. It will pay off for them in the end, if they lose a lot now. Learn to do it right, even if it's harder. Especially because it's harder. shortcuts lead to bad habits. It's about teaching.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54853 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 11:01 am to
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and these 4 year olds can comprehend all of this?

Most of them have the fielding, throwing (some very good, others need consistent reminders), base running, grip, stance down. Catching the ball in the air is difficult for that age group. The hand eye coordination just isn't developed enough. There has been significant progress from day 1 when none of them new the proper throwing technique or how to hold a bat or how to field a ball through this point in the season.


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It's t ball, not rocket science. their team is coached by a 20 year old baseball player.
Yeah, it takes more patience, preparation and an understanding of kids that age than most 20 year olds will have.

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one kid throws a hissy fit and starts crying everytime someone else fields the ball, while 3 or 4 others just roll around in the dirt while someone hits an inside the park HR that doesn't make it past the infield.
While having all of the kids pay attention 100% of the time is an issue, we haven't had any of this in our league that I have seen.

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maybe you can link me some study on t ball and development since I'm apparently uninformed.

Maybe you can quit thinking watching a couple of games of 4 year olds coached by a 20 year old kid give you understanding of jack shite.
This post was edited on 5/22/13 at 11:05 am
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 5/22/13 at 11:05 am to
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Yeah, it takes more patience, preparation and an understanding of kids that age than most 20 year olds will have.


the problem with their team is the parents IMO. this kid is screaming crying and throwing shite and her parents are like "it's okay, we'll make sure you get the next one"

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Maybe you can quit thinking a couple of games of 4 year olds coached by a 20 year old kid give you understanding of jack shite.


it was the same when I played 20+ years ago. maybe you can quit thinking you know everything because you coach T ball. you act like it's some highly involved and complicated thing to understand.
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