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ESPN article: Protected picks encourage tanking in the NBA
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:00 pm
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Tanking teams are ridiculed right up until the tactic pays off. Thanks to 16.1 points and 6.4 boards this postseason, the praise of rookie Harrison Barnes has recently grown loud enough to drown out the criticism of how Golden State got him.
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It wasn't so long ago that the Warriors had a shot at another playoff run. On March 14 of 2012, Golden State was only three games under .500 with 27 left to play. Instead of making one final playoff push, the Warriors went the other way, consciously. Monta Ellis and Ekpe Udoh were traded for Andrew Bogut, who was out that season with a fractured ankle. In the short term, a deal like that could only hurt the Warriors. The upside had something to do the Utah Jazz and a protected NBA lottery pick.
If the Warriors had designs on playing better after the trade, they certainly didn't show it on the court. Golden State went 5-22 post-swap, with an ugly 1-of-11 closing stretch. Enough games were missed by enough players that the injuries seemed a little too coincidental. Even if the Warriors weren't actually tanking, the results were compelling enough to make any sentient observer believe that they were.
So the Warriors were either deliberately trying to lose or doing a fantastic imitation of what such a thing would look like.
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To my mind, the solution is simple: Ban pick protection. If a team wants to trade a pick, they'll just have to risk that the pick becomes a No. 1 selection. Tough. Insulating general managers from risk isn't worth subjecting fans to months of intentional losing. Don't fault the Warriors; fault the system that compels a franchise to favor security over dignity.
Full story.
Interesting article, and I had completely forgotten about Golden State's amazing flameout at the end of last year.
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:03 pm to Augustus
quote:wow. hadnt thought of that. hes right. great idea.
To my mind, the solution is simple: Ban pick protection
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:05 pm to Augustus
Solid article, agree with what it says
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:07 pm to Augustus
I think Simmmons/Grantland has proposed some sort of play in tournament to get rid of tanking. I think you could improve the tanking situation a lot if you cut the lottery from 14 teams to 8 teams and have teams 7-16 have a tournament for the 8th seed.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:18 pm to Augustus
Besides it's popularity nowaday's, why does the NBA do the draft lottery, instead of like the NFL does theirs. Worst team drafts first and so on?
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:25 pm to Kracka
quote:because then you'd have multiple teams trying to lose just so they could have the first pick. And when there is a superstar player like Lebron, etc, coming into the league, you will have multiple teams doing whatever they can to try and get the next best player of the generation.
Besides it's popularity nowaday's, why does the NBA do the draft lottery, instead of like the NFL does theirs. Worst team drafts first and so on?
In basketball there are only so many superstars.
In the NFL, there are more superstars. And just a lot more players in general. So drafting at #1 compared to #4 isnt as much of a big deal to NFL teams as it would be to an NBA team.
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:28 pm to Kracka
quote:Ironically, to discourage tanking.
Besides it's popularity nowaday's, why does the NBA do the draft lottery, instead of like the NFL does theirs. Worst team drafts first and so on?
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:30 pm to Kracka
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Besides it's popularity nowaday's, why does the NBA do the draft lottery, instead of like the NFL does theirs. Worst team drafts first and so on?
Because without the lottery there would be even more teams tanking. With the lottery, even if you have the worst record, there's a 75% chance you don't get the first pick.
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:34 pm to Ryan3232
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because then you'd have multiple teams trying to lose just so they could have the first pick. And when there is a superstar player like Lebron, etc, coming into the league, you will have multiple teams doing whatever they can to try and get the next best player of the generation.
In basketball there are only so many superstars.
In the NFL, there are more superstars. And just a lot more players in general. So drafting at #1 compared to #4 isnt as much of a big deal to NFL teams as it would be to an NBA team.
That makes sense and kinda what I was thinking, just wanted to hear someone else say it so I wouldnt think i was stupid.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:36 pm to TigerinATL
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think Simmmons/Grantland has proposed some sort of play in tournament to get rid of tanking. I think you could improve the tanking situation a lot if you cut the lottery from 14 teams to 8 teams and have teams 7-16 have a tournament for the 8th seed.
Yeah, Simmons started that idea back before Grantland, but updated it a while back.
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Let's say we cut down the regular season to 78 games, lock down the top seven seeds in each conference, then stage a week-long, single elimination, 16-team tournament between the nonplayoff teams for the 8-seeds. (No conferences, just no. 15 through no. 30 seeded in order.) The higher seeds would host the first two rounds (eight games in all) from Sunday through Wednesday; the last two rounds (The Final FourGotten) would rotate every year in New York or Los Angeles on Friday night and Sunday afternoon, becoming something of a Fun Sports Weekend along the lines of All-Star Weekend. Friday night's winners would clinch playoff berths. Sunday's winner gets two carrots: the chance to pick their playoff conference (you can go East or West), as well as the no. 10 pick in the upcoming draft (that's a supplemental pick; they'd get their own first-rounder as well).
I'll flip this around: Why WOULDN'T we do this? Lottery teams couldn't tank down the stretch or shut down starters for nefarious reasons; not with a possible playoff berth and an extra first-rounder at stake. Fans would remain invested no matter how poorly their team was playing down the stretch (knowing the tournament was coming up). Sponsors would pony up extra money to be involved. We'd get a fun basketball weekend in New York or Los Angeles out of it. The 14 playoff teams would get 10 days off as their bonus. And given that the Grizzlies just topped the Spurs in Round 1, nobody could say the 8-seed is meaningless, right?
If you're still not sold, allow me to fall back on a question that never fails: "Would you watch it?"
Imagine if we did it last year and landed a Friday Final Four of the Grizzlies, Clippers, Pacers and (in a feel-good story) the upstart Cavaliers. Would you have watched that night? Of course you would have! You definitely would have watched the Entertaining As Hell Tournament presented by Klondike. Why won't the NBA take a chance like this? I have no idea.
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:14 pm to TU Rob
Instead of that, they could award non-playoff teams money based on the reverse order of finish. The team can use that money either to pay their current guys or to spend on a free agent.
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