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re: Concealed Carrier in Supermarket Takes Action
Posted on 5/11/13 at 8:10 pm to Choirboy
Posted on 5/11/13 at 8:10 pm to Choirboy
Not sure I wouldve fired when he did. That was close to being the aggressor. I wouldve looked for earlier opportunity. But then again ive never been in that situation so props to that dude for stepping in.
Would anyone feel different about the use of force exactly as it happened if the ccw holder was off duty cop?
Would anyone feel different about the use of force exactly as it happened if the ccw holder was off duty cop?
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Posted on 5/11/13 at 8:13 pm to rattlebucket
quote:
Would anyone feel different about the use of force exactly as it happened if the ccw holder was off duty cop?
Naw because he didn't have one in the barrel
Posted on 5/11/13 at 8:15 pm to rattlebucket
I think he was justified shooting. The robber set the stakes when he pulled a gun an threatened everyone.
Don't want to get shot? Don't point a gun at innocent people.
Don't want to get shot? Don't point a gun at innocent people.
Posted on 5/11/13 at 8:18 pm to Nodust
quote:
Don't want to get shot? Don't point a gun at innocent people.
Hey i agree. But in ccw training it was stuffed down our throats once the threat ends you cant use lethal force. The example was similar to the video and that you cant shoot a fleeing criminal.
But i were a juror i wouldnt convict cc holder fwiw
Posted on 5/11/13 at 8:22 pm to rattlebucket
I think an off duty cop would have acted sooner or not at all. It was almost as if the guy was waiting and waiting not sure of himself.
Most likely trying to figure out how to chamber a round silently.
Most likely trying to figure out how to chamber a round silently.
Posted on 5/11/13 at 8:48 pm to rattlebucket
You should take a kook at Tennessee v. Garner for your answer. See if I can find a link, on my phone.
Posted on 5/11/13 at 8:49 pm to Nodust
quote:The thing that struck me the most was how much he moved throughout it all. Not only distance but also very jumpy, literally.
It was almost as if the guy was waiting and waiting not sure of himself.
Posted on 5/11/13 at 8:51 pm to Geauxtiga
Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)
In Garner, the Court held that if a suspect “threatens the officer with a weapon or there is probable cause to believe that he has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm, deadly force may be used if necessary to prevent escape, and if, where feasible, some warning has been given.”
In Garner, the Court held that if a suspect “threatens the officer with a weapon or there is probable cause to believe that he has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm, deadly force may be used if necessary to prevent escape, and if, where feasible, some warning has been given.”
Posted on 5/11/13 at 8:52 pm to rattlebucket
quote:I agree.
Not sure I wouldve fired when he did. That was close to being the aggressor. I wouldve looked for earlier opportunity.
I wouldn't want to have to argue in court how/why I saw fit to shoot a man in the back as he was leaving. Not saying it can't be done, justifybly, just wouldn't want to be in, in court in a coin-toss situation.
Now if I'm on the jury and YOU are the one in the coin toss situation, you can bank on my siding with the peace-keeper and not a POS armed robber.
This post was edited on 5/11/13 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 5/11/13 at 8:54 pm to bapple
that was pitiful...he tries to hide the gun once he realizes he's not ready to rock 
Posted on 5/12/13 at 5:22 pm to Nodust
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Don't want to get shot? Don't point a gun at innocent people.
Amen.
And I hate that people think once a criminal has what he or she wants that the exit will be peaceful. They could just as easily blast a few rounds back or walk up and execute someone. The threat wasn't "over" in this video until he was completely out of the store.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Posted on 5/12/13 at 5:53 pm to Geauxtiga
quote:
Not sure I wouldve fired when he did. That was close to being the aggressor. I wouldve looked for earlier opportunity.
I agree.
I wouldn't want to have to argue in court how/why I saw fit to shoot a man in the back as he was leaving. Not saying it can't be done, justifybly, just wouldn't want to be in, in court in a coin-toss situation.
Now if I'm on the jury and YOU are the one in the coin toss situation, you can bank on my siding with the peace-keeper and not a POS armed robber.
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In my opinion, under the BEST of circumstances (i.e. depending on the laws of the state where this occurred), this falls into the category of "Yes, you can legally shoot, but you probably shouldn't." The shooter would prolly be ok from a criminal standpoint, but might well have problems in a civil suit. Personally, it doesn't trouble me one bit that the bad guy got shot. OTOH, think of all the bleeding hearts who might feel otherwise when the plaintiff's personal injury lawyer stands before a jury and says, "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the defendant shot my client in the back after the incident was over and as he was leaving the site." Yada, yada, yada.....
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