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re: Do we resign al farouq if we draft burke?
Posted on 5/9/13 at 9:33 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 5/9/13 at 9:33 am to Fun Bunch
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We should keep AFA if the price is right (ie pretty much the minimum with team options). He'd be a great guy off the bench for rebounding and defense. I wouldn't necessarily want him as a starter though.
Adding Burke, Martell Webster and Pekovic (longshot I know), with Ryno, Smith, Vasquez (Or Burke), Rivers and AFA coming off the bench is a roster with a lot of potential.
That's the thing. We had a bunch of wasted starter money on cut players this year (Lewis/Carroll). The guys who were starting in several spots were out of their league as starters, but that isn't their fault, it was a matter of circumstance. This year, we can bring in talent with that money to improve your starters. You now have 2 or 3 players who started an entire year to run your second team. They are already making role player money. Now let them be role players.
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Posted on 5/9/13 at 9:50 am to Bigcurly2343
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sounds like a winner to me.
That team wouldn't even make the playoffs in the East, much less the West. A much more talented team in the Rockets barely made the playoffs in the West, and that lineup you suggested is supposed to be a winner?
Posted on 5/9/13 at 9:58 am to Fun Bunch
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We should keep AFA if the price is right (ie pretty much the minimum with team options). He'd be a great guy off the bench for rebounding and defense. I wouldn't necessarily want him as a starter though.
Totally agree.
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Pekovic (longshot I know)
This is my #1 off season wish (along with drafting Porter). I went to a few Minnesota message boards and I saw some fans think that if any team throws at least $10 mil at Pek, they won't match. It's just up to us (or other teams) to decide if he's worth that $10+. Him and Anthony Davis could become the best big man duo in the league.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 10:03 am to Jester
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We had a bunch of wasted starter money on cut players this year (Lewis/Carroll). The guys who were starting in several spots were out of their league as starters
this was one of my tank time points. those guys could have definitely helped if winning games was priority.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 10:04 am to Jester
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That's the thing. We had a bunch of wasted starter money on cut players this year (Lewis/Carroll). The guys who were starting in several spots were out of their league as starters, but that isn't their fault, it was a matter of circumstance. This year, we can bring in talent with that money to improve your starters. You now have 2 or 3 players who started an entire year to run your second team. They are already making role player money. Now let them be role players.
Agree 100%. Adding 2-3 starting caliber players and keeping the rest completely changes this team's outlook, IMO.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 10:07 am to mm2316
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This is my #1 off season wish (along with drafting Porter). I went to a few Minnesota message boards and I saw some fans think that if any team throws at least $10 mil at Pek, they won't match. It's just up to us (or other teams) to decide if he's worth that $10+. Him and Anthony Davis could become the best big man duo in the league.
That's what I think its going to cost to get him, which is a LOT. I know big men get paid big time, but its not like he's some special talent. He's just a big, STRONG, rugged guy that will pound the paint and keep AD clean, as it were.
But he would be a perfect compliment. If we can add a quick penetrator and 2 more 3 point guys to spread the floor for the two interior guys...we are getting legit.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 10:19 am to Fun Bunch
FWIW, I was just on a Minny board and they were speculating it would take at LEAST 11 mill per to re-sign him, and that was hometown discount numbers.
A lot of people were speculating that some team would offer him the max or near max.
Just fan speculation, but I think we can forget getting him for 10. I don't want to spend more than that on a guy like him with a somewhat limited skillset and injury history. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to have him, but at 12-15 mill? No.
A lot of people were speculating that some team would offer him the max or near max.
Just fan speculation, but I think we can forget getting him for 10. I don't want to spend more than that on a guy like him with a somewhat limited skillset and injury history. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to have him, but at 12-15 mill? No.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 10:21 am to Fun Bunch
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I'd LOVE to have him, but at 12-15 mill? No.
Kiged
Posted on 5/9/13 at 10:59 am to Fun Bunch
I'd rather start Aminu & bring the 3pt shooter or the "offensive" SF off the bench to give us some scoring punch with the 2nd unit. Something that has been severely lacking since this team moved here.
Let's say we draft Burke, then you start:
Vasquez
Gordon
Aminu
Davis
Lopez
And off the bench
Burke/Roberts
Rivers/Roberts
Webster/Budinger
Anderson
Smith
This doesn't include another possible Wing or Big Man we could possibly bring in via FA or the Draft
Let's say we draft Burke, then you start:
Vasquez
Gordon
Aminu
Davis
Lopez
And off the bench
Burke/Roberts
Rivers/Roberts
Webster/Budinger
Anderson
Smith
This doesn't include another possible Wing or Big Man we could possibly bring in via FA or the Draft
Posted on 5/9/13 at 11:04 am to Brow_City_Trick
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Vasquez
Gordon
Aminu
Davis
Lopez
So the exact same unit that won 27 games. Sounds swell.
No, that would be total fail of an offseason. You start the best players, we are not a team with the luxury of bringing better players off the bench (...for the most part, excluding Ryno).
If you're bringing in Webster, its to start, to help create floor spacing etc.
If you're bringing in Burke, he needs to be starting by midseason.
This post was edited on 5/9/13 at 11:05 am
Posted on 5/9/13 at 11:19 am to Fun Bunch
We rarely had that whole starting 5 on the court this season. Whether issues of health, back to backs, benching, etc...
That wouldn't be a fail b/c now that they've actually played together and had some time to gel, adapt to the system, it wouldn't be the same result.
Also, where most of the wins slipped away last season was in regards to our bench (or lack thereof) We often lost leads or fell way behind when all we had in the game was Ryno off the bench. When we had to take out the starters & had no one who could score or create their own shot. The real fail this offseason would be to not address that glaring hole on this roster. Rather then guys like Thomas, Henry, Jones.. we could have guys like Webster, Brewer, etc.
Of course I expect Burke to start if we pick him, but just not right off the bat. I don't think you just throw him in right away if you don't have to. But I'm also hoping I'm wrong and he can just come in from the jump. Having Vasquez as your backup off the bench would be a serious luxury to lead a 2nd unit.
That wouldn't be a fail b/c now that they've actually played together and had some time to gel, adapt to the system, it wouldn't be the same result.
Also, where most of the wins slipped away last season was in regards to our bench (or lack thereof) We often lost leads or fell way behind when all we had in the game was Ryno off the bench. When we had to take out the starters & had no one who could score or create their own shot. The real fail this offseason would be to not address that glaring hole on this roster. Rather then guys like Thomas, Henry, Jones.. we could have guys like Webster, Brewer, etc.
Of course I expect Burke to start if we pick him, but just not right off the bat. I don't think you just throw him in right away if you don't have to. But I'm also hoping I'm wrong and he can just come in from the jump. Having Vasquez as your backup off the bench would be a serious luxury to lead a 2nd unit.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 11:46 am to Brow_City_Trick
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That wouldn't be a fail
Its a fail because that's not a playoff starting 5.
The 1, 3, and 5 positions would all be guys that are backups on a playoff team and starters on a lottery team.
Lottery once again.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 11:46 am to Brow_City_Trick
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Also, where most of the wins slipped away last season was in regards to our bench (or lack thereof) We often lost leads or fell way behind when all we had in the game was Ryno off the bench. When we had to take out the starters & had no one who could score or create their own shot. The real fail this offseason would be to not address that glaring hole on this roster. Rather then guys like Thomas, Henry, Jones.. we could have guys like Webster, Brewer, etc.
If your starters from last year are on the bench this year...wouldn't that qualify as greatly upgrading the bench?
Posted on 5/9/13 at 11:58 am to mm2316
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Pekovic (longshot I know)
This is my #1 off season wish (along with drafting Porter). I went to a few Minnesota message boards and I saw some fans think that if any team throws at least $10 mil at Pek, they won't match. It's just up to us (or other teams) to decide if he's worth that $10+. Him and Anthony Davis could become the best big man duo in the league.
Completely agree with this. Having a guy down low like Pekovic who can score AND rebound is huge for Davis's development. Plus having a banger inside who can push around the other bigs will go a long way in keeping Davis healthy
Posted on 5/9/13 at 12:03 pm to novowels
Y'all are starting to sell me on Pekovic. Too bad he's restricted.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 4:59 pm to Fun Bunch
It would certainly qualify, but I think that you're:
A) severely underselling our starters last year when they played less than 10 total games together.
B) severely overestimating us being able to acquire top rate starter talent in the FA market.
It seems we agree on most of the upgrades in personnel we want the Pels to acquire (except Pek) in Burke, Webster, etc... just disagree on how they should be used.
Personally, I would love to land Jennings as a PG and then draft a SF such as Bazz. But I still think Aminu would be a starter only due to having more of a scoring 3 off the bench. Someone who can spark the offense... which we know Aminu can't.
A) severely underselling our starters last year when they played less than 10 total games together.
B) severely overestimating us being able to acquire top rate starter talent in the FA market.
It seems we agree on most of the upgrades in personnel we want the Pels to acquire (except Pek) in Burke, Webster, etc... just disagree on how they should be used.
Personally, I would love to land Jennings as a PG and then draft a SF such as Bazz. But I still think Aminu would be a starter only due to having more of a scoring 3 off the bench. Someone who can spark the offense... which we know Aminu can't.
Posted on 5/9/13 at 5:20 pm to Jester
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That's the thing. We had a bunch of wasted starter money on cut players this year (Lewis/Carroll). The guys who were starting in several spots were out of their league as starters, but that isn't their fault, it was a matter of circumstance. This year, we can bring in talent with that money to improve your starters. You now have 2 or 3 players who started an entire year to run your second team. They are already making role player money. Now let them be role players.
Get out of my head
Posted on 5/9/13 at 8:38 pm to Gtothemoney
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Y'all are starting to sell me on Pekovic. Too bad he's restricted.
i'll go ahead and draw you all in! pek is restricted but he will receive an offer from a team that minney just cant match. They are at $52mil without pek and need serious upgrades at other positions. i think they may depend on a rookie center which is not a bad option alongside k-love.
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This post was edited on 5/9/13 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 5/9/13 at 8:50 pm to BayouFann
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